Day 019 - 27 Jul 94 - Page 06

     
     1        A.  There are some sectors of the industry which can
              achieve the freedom foods requirements -- not all, but
     2        some.  And the freedom foods has already been implemented,
              and some people are being awarded -- some products are
     3        being awarded the freedom foods label.  So, not all but
              some are achieving the goals.
     4
         MR. MORRIS:  We would have to get more details to go into it
     5        more specifically.
 
     6   MS. STEEL:   Just to get a general picture, on page 3 of your
              statement -- I do not know whether you want to get it out;
     7        it is a yellow bundle.
 
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Volume IX, yellow IX, Dr. Gregory, section
              10.
     9
         MS. STEEL:   You found page 3?
    10        A.  Yes.
 
    Q.   Just to give us a general idea, how do these figures
              compare with, say, about 40 years ago or something like
    12        that?
              A.  You are talking about table 1, are you?
    13
         Q.   Yes.  The number of animals farmed for meat consumption?
    14        A.  The ones which have shown the greatest proportionate
              increase, I am not talking about absolute increases, I am
    15        talking about proportionate increases, are chickens,
              turkeys, trout, salmon in particular.
    16
         Q.   Right.  You do not happen to know, roughly, what the
    17        figures would have been, say, 40 years ago for chickens,
              for example?
    18        A.  No, I do not.
 
    19   Q.   Do you know for any of them?
              A.  Not off -- no.  This information could be found, but
    20        I do not have it in my memory, no.
 
    Q.   For example, with chickens, has the increased consumption
              of chickens led to the development of intensive farming?
    22        A.  Since 1954?
 
    23   Q.   Since, say, the end of the Second World War?
              A.  I think it is true to say that there have been changes
    24        in the way that chickens are kept.  They have become more
              intensively farmed, that is, larger individual sheds and
    25        sheds which tend to be in all likelihood stocked at a high
              density. 
    26 
         Q.   Would that be true of pigs as well? 
    27        A.  Yes.  I would say that is probably the case, but there
              have been -- can I add -- there have been changes.  You
    28        know, there is, I think there is a general feel in the
              industry to decrease the stocking density, at least in the
    29        case of pig area, so it may have had a peak which it is
              coming down from, but that is supposition on my part; it
    30        is not based on evidence.