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     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Subject to anything Mr. Morris or Ms. Steel
     2        wants to say, it seemed to me it would probably be most
     3        sensible to have a break before we go on to recycling and
     4        waste at all, and then not have a break between the
     5        Plaintiffs' witnesses and the Defendants' witnesses, have a
     6        decent break before recycling and waste, and then,
     7        hopefully, get through the whole of the remainder of
     8        recycling and waste.
    10        If we do have a break, there may be some advantage in
    11        having a complete week because then, if I am required
    12        elsewhere, it is much easier to send a judge into other
    13        work, and perhaps another kind of work altogether, for a
    14        whole week rather than for three days or something like, so
    15        far as listing is concerned and judge's movements are
    16        concerned.
    18   MR. RAMPTON:  I entirely understand that.  It is the reason that
    19        I raise it now because, plainly, for McDonald's people,
    20        obviously, even if they are from America, the impact is not
    21        the same as it is for outsiders such as Mr. Bateman and
    22        Mr. Mallinson.  If recycling and waste were not to start,
    23        for example, until Monday 21st, all the McDonald's
    24        witnesses for the week beginning 14th would have to go off,
    25        but I would not want to have to move Mr. Mallinson yet
    26        again or Mr. Bateman, if he is needed.  So the order would
    27        become different.
    29             Then there is a separate problem of the argument about
    30        amendment, which your Lordship wanted to precede the recall
    31        of Professor Crawford.  Again, in a sense, that is a
    32        discrete floating element; those two things together are.
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If the recycling and waste witnesses came out
    35        of the four days between Monday 14th November and
    36        Thursday 17th November, I would not want to hear argument
    37        on the Friday, for the reason which I gave.
    39   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, I understand that.  But that would then
    40        become a blank week.
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There might be points in favour of starting
    43        with the argument concerning the question of amendments on
    44        the day immediately before going on to recycling and waste.
    46   MR. RAMPTON:  The 21st, as it were.
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, if that is the day.  I re-read
    49        Miss Carroll, Mr. Bateman and, to some extent, other
    50        witnesses.  As I understand it, Mr. Bateman deals with a 
    51        number of topics, but the topic you are particularly 
    52        concerned with, as I understand it, is the pulp and paper 
    53        processing itself -- not the chopping down of the trees,
    54        not any waste there may be, not any effect on forestation
    55         -- that the actual processes, particularly the chemical
    56        processes, in turning timber into paper.
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, my Lord.
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I assume from what you have said that, if

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