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1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Subject to anything Mr. Morris or Ms. Steel
2 wants to say, it seemed to me it would probably be most
3 sensible to have a break before we go on to recycling and
4 waste at all, and then not have a break between the
5 Plaintiffs' witnesses and the Defendants' witnesses, have a
6 decent break before recycling and waste, and then,
7 hopefully, get through the whole of the remainder of
8 recycling and waste.
10 If we do have a break, there may be some advantage in
11 having a complete week because then, if I am required
12 elsewhere, it is much easier to send a judge into other
13 work, and perhaps another kind of work altogether, for a
14 whole week rather than for three days or something like, so
15 far as listing is concerned and judge's movements are
18 MR. RAMPTON: I entirely understand that. It is the reason that
19 I raise it now because, plainly, for McDonald's people,
20 obviously, even if they are from America, the impact is not
21 the same as it is for outsiders such as Mr. Bateman and
22 Mr. Mallinson. If recycling and waste were not to start,
23 for example, until Monday 21st, all the McDonald's
24 witnesses for the week beginning 14th would have to go off,
25 but I would not want to have to move Mr. Mallinson yet
26 again or Mr. Bateman, if he is needed. So the order would
27 become different.
29 Then there is a separate problem of the argument about
30 amendment, which your Lordship wanted to precede the recall
31 of Professor Crawford. Again, in a sense, that is a
32 discrete floating element; those two things together are.
34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If the recycling and waste witnesses came out
35 of the four days between Monday 14th November and
36 Thursday 17th November, I would not want to hear argument
37 on the Friday, for the reason which I gave.
39 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, I understand that. But that would then
40 become a blank week.
42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There might be points in favour of starting
43 with the argument concerning the question of amendments on
44 the day immediately before going on to recycling and waste.
46 MR. RAMPTON: The 21st, as it were.
48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, if that is the day. I re-read
49 Miss Carroll, Mr. Bateman and, to some extent, other
50 witnesses. As I understand it, Mr. Bateman deals with a
51 number of topics, but the topic you are particularly
52 concerned with, as I understand it, is the pulp and paper
53 processing itself -- not the chopping down of the trees,
54 not any waste there may be, not any effect on forestation
55 -- that the actual processes, particularly the chemical
56 processes, in turning timber into paper.
58 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, my Lord.
60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I assume from what you have said that, if