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     1        to the industry.  So, one tends to talk about the timber
     2        trade and the forest industry in a sort of combined way,
     3        but it is only really a combined involvement as far as this
     4        situation here is concerned over environmental issues where
     5        we do like to talk with the forest industry even though we
     6        are timber importers.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Did you mean "euphemisms"?
     9
    10   MR. MORRIS:  I did not mean "euphemism", I meant are they words
    11        describing the same thing.  It seems they are different.
    12        So, there are two aspects; there is the forest industry
    13        which is the indigenous forests, is it not, and the
    14        industry associated with that, and there is the timber
    15        trade which is international?
    16        A.  Yes, to keep it very simple, the timber trade is
    17        concerned with importing timber from forestry sources all
    18        around the world.  The forest industry here comprises the
    19        timber growers who actually are involved in growing forest
    20        timber resources here in the UK, and then you have
         obviously the users of it who are using it to make product
    22        from both British timber and imported timber.  They are a
    23        very wide variety of user indeed.
    24
    25   Q.   So when you say represent the forestry industry, timber
    26        trade and industry in environmental matters, those people
    27        you have just mentioned are the people that "Forests
    28        Forever" is representing?
    29        A.  Yes, you referred to the Advisory Council of "Forests
    30        Forever" and on the Advisory Council of "Forests Forever",
    31        you will find representatives of the Forestry Commission,
    32        the Forestry Industry Committee of Great Britain, the
    33        timber growers, the importers of timber, the furniture
    34        manufacturers, the woodworking industry as a whole.  So, it
    35        is a fairly broad representation there.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is it anyone who has a commercial interest in
    38        timber?
    39        A.  Yes.
    40
    MR. MORRIS:  So that would include, for example -- I do not know
    42        if it includes them specifically -- people that are
    43        manufacturers of packaging?
    44        A.  It would include, when you are talking about packaging
    45        in the terms that this case concerns, it would include them
    46        in the sense that The Forest Industry Committee of Great
    47        Britain includes people who are making the paper for
    48        packaging.  But we do not have any representative of any
    49        company that is actually making a packaging product on the
    50        Advisory Committee of the "Forests Forever". 
    51 
    52   Q.   But you would represent their interests on that "Forestry 
    53        Forever" Advisory Council?
    54        A.  I doubt that they would actually -- the actual
    55        manufacturers of a packaging product would not really think
    56        that we represented their interest, because they would be
    57        appreciative that what we are really representing is a much
    58        broader forestry interest and timber interest than their
    59        own particular interest.
    60