Day 092 - 27 Feb 95 - Page 04


     
     1        A.  Could be what?
     2
     3   Q.   Being reared indoors?
     4        A.  Most of them, no.  That is not a true statement, some
     5        of them could be.
     6
     7   Q.   Yes, but you do not know, do you?
     8        A.  No, I do not.  That is what I said.  I do not know what
     9         -----
    10
    11   Q.   So McDonald's have not said to you:  "You have to make sure
    12        that all the pigs supplied to us are reared outdoors"?
    13        A.  We have not said that.  It is not part of our
    14        requirement that they have to be raised outdoors.
    15
    16   Q.   It is not part of your requirements that they have to have
    17        access to fresh air and sunshine?
    18        A.  No, it is part of the humane treatment, it is part of
    19        the policy that they have.  They have to be raised in a
    20        controlled environment.
    21
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Fresh air may mean something different in
    23        England to the States.  It means open air.
    24        A.  OK.
    25
    26   Q.   I think that is the way ------
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:  Yes.
    29        A.  There is no requirements in the United States that the
    30        animals have to be raised in open air.
    31
    32   Q.   No, but is there a requirement by McDonald's that they have
    33        to be raised in the open air?
    34        A.  No, it is not.
    35
    36   Q.   Do you know what "dry sow stalls" are?
    37        A.  By that you mean "dry stalls", I guess is
    38        self-explanatory.
    39
    40   Q.   Where sows are kept during their pregnancy?
    41        A.  Yes.
    42
    43   Q.   Does that happen in the USA?
    44        A.  It depends.  The hog industry is a wider -- there is a
    45        lot of conditions in the United States.  Most of them are
    46        kept in controlled environments while they are lactating or
    47        close to giving birth or environment/index.html">litter.  It could be covered
    48        depending on the environment, it could be not.
    49
    50   Q.   Right. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is not quite what you are putting, is 
    53        it?
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:  No.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you had better put what you mean by a
    58        "dry sow stall".  It is the same language but obviously
    59        terminology differs from time to time.
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