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1 specific references.
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3 MS. STEEL: If you look at the title -----
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5 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is no use just having the document there
6 and then talking about it without reference to it. Put a
7 specific part of it which you rely on, Ms. Steel, and then,
8 in so far as Dr. Gomez disagrees, he can refer me to
9 another part he wants to.
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11 MS. STEEL: If you look at the title?
12 A. Look at the title?
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14 Q. Yes.
15 A. I am looking at how it was done, not at the title.
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17 Q. "Neuroma formation and abnormal afferent nerve discharges
18 after partial beak amputation (beak trimming) in Poultry.
19 They are not talking about cutting the whole beak off; you
20 would accept that?
21 A. OK, the title does not relate to the real content of
22 the article. It says "in poultry". Poultry implies
23 turkey, quail, laying hens, broilers, and when you go into
24 the details of the article, it only says laying hens.
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26 Q. Chickens?
27 A. Laying hens. Chickens, there are broilers, there are
28 farm chickens, there are all kinds of chicken. It
29 specifically -----
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31 Q. Are you suggesting -----
32 A. If you let me finish. It specifically talks about one
33 breed of chicken. It specifically says about the removal
34 of one third of both the upper and lower parts of the
35 beak. We do not do that.
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37 Q. Are you suggesting that chickens for egg laying will have
38 different beaks to broiler chickens, that one will have
39 nerves and one will not?
40 A. No, I did not suggest that.
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Where do I get the one third of a beak?
43 I can see that it is Brown Leghorn hens.
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45 MR. RAMPTON: It is almost at the bottom of the first column,
46 about one-fifth of the way up, beside the word "(Cope &
47 Cope Limited)" in parenthesis.
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: "About one third of the upper and lower beaks
50 were removed"?
51 A. When it has been done at McDonald's, the suppliers
52 supplying McDonald's, it is only the tip. The tip is about
53 1/64th of an inch when we do it, if we do it.
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55 MS. STEEL: How long is the beak?
56 A. You do not know?
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58 Q. I am asking you to give evidence. How long is the beak of
59 a chicken or the chickens that McDonald's uses?
60 A. Well, it starts about probably half of an inch, then it
