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1 thirdly, we do not object to him coming after the end of
2 his sabbatical.
4 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think he should go off until the autumn,
5 Mr. Rampton, quite frankly. The one thing you do not do
6 with a sabbatical, otherwise you avoid the whole point of
7 it, is to interrupt it in any way whatsoever.
9 MR. RAMPTON: I am grateful for that. We will see what we can
10 do with him from October onwards. My Lord, the other thing
11 is -- it is more urgent really -- I think it was yesterday
12 Ms. Steel disclosed a video film -- it is quite short,
13 about 15 minutes -- which I watched last night made by a
14 group of people calling themselves Animal Aid, purporting
15 to record incidents of turkey and chicken broiler
18 This is something which, plainly, I would need to ask
19 Dr. Pattison about. It is my understanding that the
20 Defendants intend to put it to Dr. Pattison in
21 cross-examination. It follows from that -- in fact, it was
22 only disclosed yesterday -- that I would ask your
23 Lordship's leave to two things. First, to obtain
24 Dr. Pattison's reaction to the film before he comes back to
25 continue his cross-examination and, second, if necessary,
26 to ask him questions in-chief about anything in that film
27 upon which he may wish to comment in advance of being
28 cross-examined about it.
30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
32 MR. RAMPTON: The related question is this. Mr. Morris
33 mentioned the other day -- I forget whether it was last
34 week or yesterday -- that the Defendants had been in
35 contact with an anonymous person, illiterate it is said,
36 who is said to have been a catcher of chickens at Sun
37 Valley at some stage. Again, this is something very
38 recent. It has occurred during Dr. Pattison's
41 If that person is going to be a witness, then, my Lord, in
42 our submission, it is only right that we should, before
43 Dr. Pattison comes back so that he can make appropriate
44 enquiries, be told the name of the person and when it was
45 that he worked at Sun Valley and, broadly speaking, if
46 possible (and this is less important) what are the
47 allegations that he is proposing to make.
49 If the Defendants are unable to specify his allegations,
50 though it is fair to say the leaflet which accompanies the
51 Animal Aid video contains what purport to be quotations
52 from various anonymous ex-catchers, but if they do not know
53 what the allegations are, at least, they must know who the
54 person is, what his name is, and perhaps when it was that
55 he worked at Sun Valley; the reason being that Dr. Pattison
56 ought to have the opportunity to make enquiries about that
57 person before he comes back to continue his evidence.
59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, the video, first of all?