Day 115 - 06 Apr 95 - Page 02
1 Thursday, 6th April, 1995.
3 DR. ALAN GIBSON LONG, recalled
4 Cross-Examined by Mr. Rampton, continued.
6 MR. RAMPTON: Dr. Long?
7 A. Good morning.
9 Q. Did you get that bundle of transcripts?
10 A. I did indeed.
12 Q. Did you get a chance to look at it?
13 A. I skimmed through it, yes.
15 Q. I hope it did not take too long?
16 A. Thank you for your kind thoughts!
18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There we are; let us see how we go.
20 MR. RAMPTON: Anyhow, you have managed to digest at any rate the
21 effect of the evidence of Mr. Bowes, Dr. Gregory and
22 Mr. Chambers?
23 A. I think mostly, yes. I found it very confusing in
26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The burden is not on you to make any sense of
27 it. All you have to do, Dr. Long, is answer Mr. Rampton's
28 questions. Do not feel on your metal or under any burden
29 to think of something which was the transcript which you
30 remember or cannot remember.
32 MR. RAMPTON: Absolutely not, Dr. Long, nor am I proposing to
33 subject to you some kind of viva voce memory test. You
34 will have been confused, I think, in one or two places in
35 Mr. Bowes' transcript where you see the word "peak", that
36 is Norfolk for "pig". Can I ask you a couple of general
37 questions, please, Dr. Long? Am I right that, in an ideal
38 world, so far as you are concerned, none of what is done
39 either in Midland Meat Packers or at Watton in Norfolk,
40 G.D. Bowes, would happen at all in an ideal world?
41 A. Right.
43 Q. But that your position is that you have to operate in a
44 world as it is and what you strive for is an improvement in
45 the conditions in establishments which exactly exist ---
46 A. Right.
48 Q. -- and do business. Given due allowance then for that
49 necessary compromise with reality, do you see from reading
50 those transcripts or from your general knowledge of
51 intensive farming and slaughtering, that there is very
52 often a coincidence of interest between the producer and
53 the animal?
54 A. Yes. I think there is more of a coincidence with the
55 customer, and the customer then exercises his or her
56 influence on the producer. I am emboldened to say some of
57 this because the work that we did in the 1980s and so on
58 has seen some expression in what I have read in these,
59 well, what I have heard in these days.