Day 120 - 03 May 95 - Page 05

     
     1        anti-union.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I dare say, but where are you going to get
     4        asking someone who knows nothing about union activities
     5        whether he can think of a union activity about which he
     6        knows nothing which could be carried out in the store?  You
     7        ask Mr. Pearson when he comes into the witness box what
     8        union activities he would like a member of McDonald's crew
     9        to carry on in the store, and you will be left in the
    10        position, I would not be surprised, where you can ask me to
    11        infer that would not be allowed.  Obviously, if someone in
    12        the crew cares to say to a friend:  "Look, I am a member of
    13        the TGWU", or something like that, "and they are jolly
    14        useful" for this reason, that reason or the other,  "why do
    15        you not join?"
    16        A.  That would be the right of the other person to say
    17        "yes" or "no".
    18
    19   Q.   That is between one member of a crew and another?
    20        A.  Yes, quite.
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  They would not be able to pass out any written
    23        information, any leaflets, would they, to fellow crew
    24        members?
    25        A.  No.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I summarise it this way:  They would not
    28        be allowed to carry out any overt union activity on
    29        McDonald's premises?
    30        A.  That is absolutely correct, sir.
    31
    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you do better than that?
    33
    34   MR. MORRIS:  So, if we go to Hackney, 1985, you went with the
    35        Area Security Manager to McDonald's store in Mare Street --
    36        is it Mare Street?
    37        A.  Yes, it is Mare Street.
    38
    39   Q.   The Area Security Manager, is that London?  Was he London
    40        area?
         A.  No, he would be part of the London area.  He would have
    42        a number of stores.  His title is Area Security Manager.
    43
    44   Q.   Right.  Was one of his stores that store?
    45        A.  That is right.  That is why I went there.
    46
    47   Q.   Had he been in that job some considerable time?
    48        A.  He was in the Company when I joined.
    49
    50   Q.   Right.  So he would have been known to the crew in that 
    51        store? 
    52        A.  Oh, yes. 
    53
    54   Q.   Do you know which union the people in that store were
    55        interested in joining?
    56        A.  No.
    57
    58   Q.   It was not of relevance to you which particular union it
    59        was; it was just the fact that it was a union they were
    60        wishing to join that was the concern?