Day 154 - 13 Jul 95 - Page 03

     2   MS. STEEL:  I mean, we brought this up on Monday.
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, but you did not tell me what the
     5        application was.  You said you wanted to mention the
     6        question of transcripts.
     8   MR. MORRIS:  I am sorry about that.
    10   MS. STEEL:  I thought we said we wanted to make an application
    11        regarding the transcripts on Friday.
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But you did not say whether it would take
    14        five minutes or an hour, or however long it will take.  You
    15        may assert it as much as you like, but you have to accept
    16        that I have far greater experience of litigation than you
    17        do, and I know what evidence we are going through at the
    18        moment.  I just cannot accept that it will disadvantage you
    19        in any way if -- all we are contemplating at the moment is
    20        a few days before you make your application -- if there are
    21        a few days over which you do not, the following morning,
    22        get transcripts of the evidence the day before.  I just
    23        cannot accept that.
    25        I am perfectly content to work on my note, and I think you
    26        can work on yours.  The only transcript you will get in any
    27        event tomorrow morning, if you were to get one, would be a
    28        transcript of the completion of your cross-examination of
    29        Mr. Davis and any re-examination which Mr. Rampton proposes
    30        to conduct.
    32        I am not being obstructive to your interests.  One has to
    33        be realistic about what part transcripts actually play in
    34        these proceedings.
    36   MR. MORRIS:  That is why we have prepared extensively for an
    37        application over the transcripts, because last time we had
    38        not prepared ; and at that time it was only a threat from
    39        the Plaintiffs, but not -----
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just listen to me again.  We are not arguing
    42        about whether you should not bring the matter back before
    43        me.  I expressly left the door open in the ruling which
    44        I gave that you should do that.  All we are discussing is
    45        whether it should be on Friday, tomorrow, or Tuesday or
    46        some time such as that, by which time you will have had at
    47        most three days of evidence -- that is, today, Friday and
    48        Monday -- of which you will not have got a transcript.  You
    49        will have been taking a note; you will have had CaseView to
    50        help you perfect your note as you go along.  You have two 
    51        people sitting behind you who may be able to help you with 
    52        that.  I cannot see ----- 
    54   MS. STEEL:  Can I just say that we have not two people sitting
    55        behind us.
    57   MR. JUSTICE STEEL:  Well, one, then, one person.
    59   MS. STEEL:   Who has no legal experience and is not a notetaker.

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