Day 160 - 21 Jul 95 - Page 05

     
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     2   THE WITNESS:  Yes.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I will do is I will adjourn on that
     5        basis.  If what you have to do concerning the Court of
     6        Appeal is finished by 1 o'clock, then we will resume at
     7        2.00, or as soon as thereafter as we can, to carry on with
     8        Mrs. Farrer's evidence.
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    10   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
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    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you are running into the afternoon, then
    13        we will call it a day.  Is there any difficulty with that
    14        so far as you are concerned?
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    16   MR. MORRIS:  No.  We will do what we have to do, basically.
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    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I do not think that is unreasonable.
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    20   MR. MORRIS:  But one thing concerns me is that the Plaintiffs
         seem to know more about our application for leave to appeal
    22        than we do.  As far as I am concerned, it is absolutely
    23        none of their business.  I do not know; they seem to know
    24        more than I know.
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    26   MR. RAMPTON:  In what way?  I do not understand that.
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    28   MR. MORRIS:  It is our application.
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    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
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    32   MR. MORRIS:  It is our ex parte application.
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    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not aware that Mr. Rampton knows
    35        anything about it.
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    37   MR. MORRIS:  He said about three things that I do not know about
    38        the appeal, about the judge, what the intention of the
    39        judges are regarding hearing our application.
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    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, that is just normal practice.
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    43   MR. RAMPTON:  That is what the Court of Appeal -- there is no
    44        secret about this.  The Court of Appeal rang my Chambers
    45        and gave me this information that I have given your
    46        Lordship, which your Lordship already knows anyway.
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    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  All Mr. Rampton has said is that if the Court
    49        of Appeal, on an application for leave to appeal, grants
    50        leave, they sometimes go straight on then actually to hear 
    51        the appeal.  I am not suggesting for a moment they would do 
    52        in your case.  It is a two judge court and they might say 
    53        it is a three judge court matter, if leave is granted.
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    55   MR. MORRIS:  We only got the ruling yesterday afternoon, and we
    56        were in court.  We could hardly have prepared -----
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The only thing I am asking you about is why
    59        you have said that Mr. Rampton is -----
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