Day 160 - 21 Jul 95 - Page 06

     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  He seems to have all sorts of details which I did
     2        not, but maybe that is just standard practice.
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I do not think so.  He is just speaking
     5        from his experience of other cases.
     6
     7   MR. RAMPTON:  I have been told, as far as I know, that I am
     8        expected to be there because, as sometimes happens in these
     9        cases with leave to appeal, the Court of Appeal likes to
    10        hear both of the parties.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  As far as I am concerned, it is ex parte.  It is
    13        nothing to do with the Plaintiffs.
    14
    15   MR. RAMPTON:  That is the Court of Appeal's business, not
    16        Mr. Morris'.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If the other side gets to hear of an ex parte
    19        application, either because they have given formal notice
    20        or they get to hear anyway, they can turn up.  Whether the
         court wants to hear them or not is another matter.  For all
    22        I know, the Court of Appeal may have indicated they would
    23        welcome Mr. Rampton's attendance; I just do not know.
    24
    25   MR. RAMPTON:  That is my understanding of it, my Lord.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Would you like to just tell Ms. Steel how far
    28        we have got with regard to today's proceedings?
    29        Mrs. Farrer, would you just sit at the back for a moment in
    30        case there is anything further?
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:  As I understand it, if our matters are not resolved
    33        by 1.00, then are we abandoning this afternoon or are we
    34        going to start at half past 2?
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think the answer is this:  If you are not
    37        finished by 1.00 but it is pretty apparent that you are
    38        going to be finished by quarter past two, then we might
    39        resume at, say, half past and see if we can finish
    40        Mrs. Farrer.  I am only doing this because I would like to
         help Mrs. Farrer, if possible.  If, come 1 o'clock, you are
    42        not finished and there are matters of some substance still
    43        to be raised in the afternoon, then I think we will have to
    44        call it a day and say we will do no more in this case until
    45        Monday morning.
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  What we will do, with your Lordship's permission,
    48        is when we speak to Mrs. Farrer at, say, 1 o'clock, or just
    49        after, if we think that she could be back in the witness
    50        box by half past two we will ask her to come back, 
    51        otherwise we will say do not come back. 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is there anything more you want to say about
    54        that or anything Ms. Steel wants to say?
    55
    56   MR. MORRIS:  No.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Someone keep Mr. Dudley in touch with what is
    59        happening.  We will not sit again on this matter in this
    60        court before 2 o'clock this afternoon.  If there is a real