Day 172 - 12 Oct 95 - Page 02
1 Thursday, 12th October, 1995
3 MR. MORRIS: Yes. Thanks for the delay. We had not met our
4 witness before, so it was a good opportunity to speak.
6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Very well. When you come later in the day to
7 reading witnesses -- in fact, I do not know whether we have
8 done it in the past -- it would seem sensible to let the
9 stenographer have a photocopy; and, since your clients are
10 the beneficiaries of the transcript and Caseview at the
11 moment, Mr. Rampton, I wonder whether it would be
12 appropriate for Mrs. Brinley-Codd to organise photocopies?
13 In fact, she knows which ones are going to be read today,
14 and I -----
16 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, my Lord. The only problem is that in two of
17 the cases, in accordance with your Lordship's bidding
18 yesterday, I went through all the statements to look for
19 those parts of the statements which, for one reason or
20 another -- and hearsay is not, I am afraid, the only
21 reason -- there is material in the statements which is
22 inadmissible. In the case of Mr. Magill and Mr. McGee,
23 I am afraid to say that there is a very great deal of
24 inadmissible material.
26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: But that we can deal with that; and if I say
27 that shall not be read, then before the copy is handed to
28 the stenographer some kind of crossing out can be done. If
29 I say let us read it all for the time being and just sort
30 that our later, then the stenographer can have the whole
33 MR. MORRIS: I was going to raise that. If the stenographers
34 want, they can borrow ours.
36 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. Obviously, I cannot set work for
37 Mrs. Brinley-Codd to do, but if Mr. Rampton is prepared to
38 accept that is the sensible approach, then you need not
39 bother about providing copies.
41 MR. MORRIS: I do want to be sure that they do have exactly the
42 same as what I am reading out.
44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Unless you have been serving different copies,
45 they are bound to have.
47 MR. MORRIS: Just in case we have missed something out. We may
48 have served an extra -----
50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What will go down on the page is what is
51 actually spoken in court. But all it is is a mechanical
52 aid to help the stenographer because, instead of having to
53 listen to tapes, saying, "What was that word", if she has
54 not got it all down, all she has to do is look at the typed
55 page and there is the answer for her.
57 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is what happens, for instance, in criminal
60 proceedings where statements are read under section 9 of