Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 03

     1        like yourself -- but "infant", but I do not know what they
     2        define as an "infant".
     4   Q.   Somebody under 18.
     5        A.  Is that right?
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is a term of art in law -- obviously, both
     8        in Canadian law, as well as English law.  All it means is
     9        someone under 18 in either country.
    10        A.  OK.
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  What it means, Miss Inglis, may I suggest to you,
    13        is this, that Cam was saying this and only this, that those
    14        people under 18 who did not want to stick with their union
    15        cards could get out of it -- to use ordinary language?
    16        A.  That is what I understand, yes.
    18   Q.   What you said yesterday in answer to Mr. Morris (who may
    19        have put words in your mouth), that Cam was saying that
    20        they could not join a union.  That is not right, is it?
    21        A.  But is that not the same thing?
    23   Q.   No, it is not, because anybody under 18 who wanted to be a
    24        member of a union was quite free to do so; and Cam accepted
    25        that?
    26        A.  I am sorry, but I understood as the same thing.
    28   MR. MORRIS:  Can I ask if this a matter of legal interpretation,
    29        if the witness can interpret -----
    31   MR. RAMPTON:  Well, Mr. Morris asked the question, my Lord.
    33   MS. STEEL:  There is number 3 as well, not just number 4 -- and
    34        A, 2A.
    36   MR. MORRIS:  I cannot -----
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You must not keep standing up.
    40   MR. MORRIS:  I just stood up once.
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, try to just resist the temptation to.
    43        If you want to ask Miss Inglis something about it, do it in
    44        re-examination.
    46   MR. MORRIS:  Whenever I refer to a legal document, you always
    47        say:  "This is a matter for me to decide on the" -----
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The legal argument would be a matter for me.
    50        But, as I understand it, what Mr. Rampton is doing at the 
    51        moment is seeing what her understanding was of the basis 
    52        upon which the objection was put, because the evidence 
    53        which you have led and the cross-examination which you put
    54        to Miss Iurillo -- and I cannot remember whether you put it
    55        to Miss Wetli as well -- was that Mr. Ballantyne was saying
    56        that you could not join a union when you were under 18.
    57        Now, if that is wrong, you can refer me back in due course
    58        to the transcript.  All Mr. Rampton is doing is asking the
    59        witness, who had some knowledge of how the Labour Court
    60        proceedings was, suggesting to her:  no, Mr. Ballantyne was

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