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1 like yourself -- but "infant", but I do not know what they
2 define as an "infant".
4 Q. Somebody under 18.
5 A. Is that right?
7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is a term of art in law -- obviously, both
8 in Canadian law, as well as English law. All it means is
9 someone under 18 in either country.
10 A. OK.
12 MR. RAMPTON: What it means, Miss Inglis, may I suggest to you,
13 is this, that Cam was saying this and only this, that those
14 people under 18 who did not want to stick with their union
15 cards could get out of it -- to use ordinary language?
16 A. That is what I understand, yes.
18 Q. What you said yesterday in answer to Mr. Morris (who may
19 have put words in your mouth), that Cam was saying that
20 they could not join a union. That is not right, is it?
21 A. But is that not the same thing?
23 Q. No, it is not, because anybody under 18 who wanted to be a
24 member of a union was quite free to do so; and Cam accepted
26 A. I am sorry, but I understood as the same thing.
28 MR. MORRIS: Can I ask if this a matter of legal interpretation,
29 if the witness can interpret -----
31 MR. RAMPTON: Well, Mr. Morris asked the question, my Lord.
33 MS. STEEL: There is number 3 as well, not just number 4 -- and
34 A, 2A.
36 MR. MORRIS: I cannot -----
38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You must not keep standing up.
40 MR. MORRIS: I just stood up once.
42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Well, try to just resist the temptation to.
43 If you want to ask Miss Inglis something about it, do it in
46 MR. MORRIS: Whenever I refer to a legal document, you always
47 say: "This is a matter for me to decide on the" -----
49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The legal argument would be a matter for me.
50 But, as I understand it, what Mr. Rampton is doing at the
51 moment is seeing what her understanding was of the basis
52 upon which the objection was put, because the evidence
53 which you have led and the cross-examination which you put
54 to Miss Iurillo -- and I cannot remember whether you put it
55 to Miss Wetli as well -- was that Mr. Ballantyne was saying
56 that you could not join a union when you were under 18.
57 Now, if that is wrong, you can refer me back in due course
58 to the transcript. All Mr. Rampton is doing is asking the
59 witness, who had some knowledge of how the Labour Court
60 proceedings was, suggesting to her: no, Mr. Ballantyne was