Day 194 - 01 Dec 95 - Page 06

     
     1        manager was, who we did actually ask Mr. Sexton about,
     2        a woman called Angela, who was a Jehova's Witness.  That is
     3        the only person where any names are going to come up.
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     5   MR. RAMPTON:  In fact, I think your Lordship's first ruling is
     6        early on the 18th.  That was in relation to Mr. Whittle,
     7        where your Lordship had something to say.  No, it was the
     8        18th; it was 18th October.  There is an actual ruling.
     9        What your Lordship said was this, and this is ------
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let me find it.
    12
    13   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  I have something about a ruling on 28th October, as
    16        well.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, Mr. Rampton.
    19
    20   MR. RAMPTON:  The material passages, first of all, are at
         page 10, just below letter B.
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  At 5B, I explained the difficulties.
    24
    25   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS:  What are we looking at now?
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is a ruling on 18th October, 1995.
    30
    31   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, at 5B to F, your Lordship explains the
    32        reason.  10B to D, again.  The actual ruling is on page 11,
    33        top of the paragraph beginning at C, down to E.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:  If I could make a fundamental point?  I do actually
    36        specifically remember bringing this up at the time, but
    37        I cannot, unfortunately, remember what day it was; I will
    38        look it up after this.  But if I could just point out that
    39        on page 5 the reason given for not allowing anything that
    40        there was not any notice of was that Mr. Rampton might have
         to ask for leave to call evidence in rebuttal.  That is at
    42        5F.
    43
    44        Now, exactly what we are doing here is calling evidence in
    45        rebuttal of what the Plaintiffs' witnesses said when they
    46        were in the witness box.  Therefore, the Plaintiffs are not
    47        going to need to call anything to rebut it.  They have
    48        already said their piece.  We must be entitled to rebut
    49        what they have said, where our witnesses disagree with it.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Does anyone want to say anything further? 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:  I do not really have anything further to say, apart
    54        from just saying that I am sure I did raise this, and it
    55        was recognised that it was our entitlement to rebut what
    56        the Plaintiffs' witnesses have said when they were giving
    57        evidence.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I propose to give leave to Mr. Morris to ask
    60        Mr. Sutcliffe to give any further evidence which he wishes,