Day 259 - 10 Jun 96 - Page 03
1 of, then might that explain why it was that you thought
2 that all the leaflets were the leaflet complained of,
3 initially, that were being handed out on that
4 demonstration; for example, the leaflets that I was
6 A. The leaflets that I saw you pick some up from had that
7 frontispiece on and, therefore, I took -----
9 Q. The graphic?
10 A. Yes, that cartoon. So, therefore, I took it for
11 granted that they were those leaflets. The leaflet I was
12 handed in the high street was that leaflet, because
13 I handed that to Mrs. Brinley-Codd the next day; that was
14 definitely the leaflet complained of. The leaflets I saw
15 the next day in Terry Carroll's possession were, in the
16 main, the leaflet complained of. That was the first time
17 I realised that a second leaflet -- and, as I understand
18 it, he only got a second leaflet -- that, in fact, a second
19 leaflet had been distributed at the demonstration.
21 Q. When did you first decide that it was necessary to refer to
22 this man handing out leaflets?
23 A. Pardon?
25 Q. It was not mentioned in your first statement, and it is in
26 your second statement. When was it that you decided that
27 it was necessary to refer to this man handing out the
28 fact sheet?
29 A. Right, OK.
31 Q. Was that your decision or the solicitors'?
32 A. When I made my first statement, I had not looked upon
33 my presence at the demonstration as being an evidential
34 gathering exercise. I simply went down there to see what
35 was going on, and I did want to get a copy of the leaflet
36 being handed out. It was not until later, when we realised
37 that, or we perceived that your defence was going to be
38 that you had not distributed the leaflet, that I saw any
39 importance in what I had noticed that afternoon. Whether
40 it was me that realised the importance or whether it was
41 the solicitors, I cannot remember.
43 Q. So, it would have been after this time that you told
44 Barlow Lyde & Gilbert about this man handing out the
46 A. No. I think I told them -- I told them that I had been
47 handed a leaflet, but we did not place any undue importance
48 upon that fact at that time. There were a lot of people
49 handing out leaflets that day. Me getting one did not, at
50 that time, appear to me to be of much significance.
52 Q. The supplementary statement that you made ---
53 A. Yes.
55 Q. -- you went in and gave further details, or a proof of
57 A. Yes.
59 Q. That would have been after you had seen the photographs of
60 the picket and the videos? I mean, you obviously seen