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Really?

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist party, UK ) on April 07, 1999 at 16:14:01:

In Reply to: Anybody's posted by Deep Daddio Nine on April 07, 1999 at 10:32:52:

: DADDIO: Whomever designed it or However it came to be the object we are currently discussing.

No, design indicates an intended use, if it just came into being through evolution, then it has no specific use, except anything we can do with it.

: DADDIO: Go right ahead and continue to do so (preferably not at any social functions I frequent). Just don’t try to tell me that this application of your penis is MORE in accord with the natural order of reality or even on a par with using it to screw and piss. Some individuals in this discussion seem to be implying that its every bit as "natural" to pack fudge as it is to have vaginal intercourse with a female. My only steadfast contention here is that this is a lofty load of shit.

What natural order? there is no such thing as the natural order, except anything we can do- atom bombs are natural. The actual distinction you are making, as is usually teh case with the 'nature' argument, is humanly willed, or non humanly willed, now, without human will, a penis does nothing, so teh onbly things it can be for are things humans will it to do. An Atom bomb is considered 'unnatural' because it cannot happen without human will - but in that case all human sex is unnatural, since it results from cosncious decisions.

BTW_ why, in terms of homosexuality, must you focus on buggery? It is relatively uncommon (and plenty of heterosexuals engage in it as well)?

: 1) That I’m not qualified to determine what’s natural and what’s not and that a sympathetic disposition toward homosexuality somehow magically endows one WITH such qualifications.
: 2) There’s some exotic species of lesbian lizards that fertilize each others eggs by rubbing up against one another.

No, the argument I am presenting is that tehre is 'no such thing as a natural order' and thus your entire argument is specious.


: A friend of mine once qiupped, "If it aint natural, you can’t do it." He’s dead now.

Indeed, he is correct though, the only things that are unnatural are impossible, many natural things may be unsafe (its natural to drink bleach, but pretty stoopid to do so).

: DADDIO: Again, I’m saying only that water, sperm, and fecal emission are by far the MOST natural functions of this equipment and I’m suggesting that anal intercourse is a relatively (perhaps highly) UNatural variation. I’m sure we can come up with all kinds of fun things to do with our body parts, but that doesn’t mean these activities are perfectly acceptable to the natural order of the universe. If an object’s form cannot server as an indication as to what its most natural function is then why aren’t we hammering nails with wrenches and turning bolts with hammers?

Surely 'natural' is a binary? either it is natural or it is not. But your second point is valid, we can only use things for the things they are capable of doing- a blancmange would make a lusy hammer, but we can, quite easilly, engage in buggery with a penis should we so wish.

: DADDIO: To the degree you’re using egg whisks to whisk batter you are missing the whole point of egg whisks. If you don’t eat eggs but you eat a lot pancakes then you’d be better off using a batter whisk. If there’s no such thing as a batter whisk then you need to be asking yourself, "Should I really be whisking this batter?" or "Maybe eating pancakes isn’t what I’m supposed to be doing". If you can’t digest anything other than pancakes and you must eat, then go ahead and use your damn egg whisk, but in the meantime ask your "higher power" why He didn’t make such a thing as a BATTER whisk.

Who HE? By whose 'should' do I appeal? Is it unnatural to use an encylopedia brtiannica to stand on to reach a high shelf- it performs teh fucntion perfectly, though perheps it may damage teh book more than other uses.




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