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Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on April 09, 1999 at 11:46:52:

In Reply to: The Imperial Dialectic posted by Robert on April 01, 1999 at 18:58:40:

: Is communism not dialectical materialism?

Historical Materialism if you prefer, but yes, that is the Method Marx used, though not all communists are dialecticians.

: Would one then not expect the communist to promote a desire for carnal worship towards utopia (a material kingdom on earth)?

That is vaguely the point of the Game.

: Would one not further expect that a conflict of the opposites (the communist and “anti-communist” dialectic) be contrived to enslave willing zealots, knowingly or unknowingly, from both sides under the same "kingdom on earth"?

Actually, Yes, and I've finally worked out by whiom- its God! Yes, God! bnetter known to his close personal freinds as Bob, Bob the allm ighty, baker of Heaven and Earth, of *ALL* (Including the devil) that is seen and unseen. through him, *all* things were made. Nicean Creed dear heart.

See, Bob's a practical jokjer, he's come up with soem doozeies in his time, but setting up the international dialectic of left- and right only helps him to perpetrate the most Bob-Allmighty practical joke on all beings with Sentience, and to do this he uses his willing ally, the Devil, or Mr. B.L.Zeebub (in Jazz Circles) to do his evil (for Bob is Evil) bidding. Boy, would all sentience look stoopid when the joke is revealed, but you, Robert, you are trying to Spoil the joke., you are going against Bob's will.

: A physicist with space science unknowingly confirms this in his fear about the Y2K nuclear holocaust between Russia and America. He through his environmental diatribes is well known to be a “leftist” in conventional terms. The solutions that he proposes always mean submitting to a world legal or political authority.

No, it might mean taking world authority into our own hands, and us all becoming the rulers of tehr owlrd, not submitting to authority, but gaining authority.

:However unbeknownced to him, he is consumed by the exact same fear as those on the “right” who exposit, not so coincedently, the exact same solution.

Heh, int Bob the greatest! man, his Jokes rock.

: As an example to illustrate this, I will use a short wave radio broadcast that I heard one night from America. This ostensibly “prophetic” news programme told of the same Y2K problem. The broadcasters were confident that after mid-night on the new year 2000, Russia would launch a nuclear strike at America and thus send the world into a holocaust. Somehow this fit into some “necessary” tribulation period that we must all submit to, but finally God would come back to set up His kingdom "on earth". I was dumbfounded.

that was ME! that was ME! I made that fake broadcast, Bob suggested it to me, it was all his idea, wow, I had such a good time! But, shucks, Robert, you've outdone me on this one, I am exposed yet again for the Japester I is.

: Is something not obviously wrong with this fundamentalist “right” message? Yes indeed, it is based solely on fear not Blessing. It is based on a resultant kingdom ON EARTH instead of God's Kingdom of Grace, of which the two can never twine. In short, it is spiritual communism under the guise of Christian speech. It conditions people for a flesh and blood empire.

Yup, thats the plan, people think they;'re going to have Devon on Earth, well, really they are all going to Hull.

: What hogwash! Jesus said my Kingdom is NOT of this world. Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit God’s kingdom (1 Cor. 15:50).

Erm, Robert, man, but Corrinthians is an Apostolic Letter, not, erm, a book about Jesus, there are only five books containing Jesus' Word, Methew, Mark, Luke and John, (plus a few other secret ones in the vatican Vaults), so how could...

: Now through this doublethink process, the Imperial communist prompts those on the “left” to zealously fight for the kingdom "on earth" utopia, and at the same time gets those on the “right” to fight equally hard for the kingdom of God "on earth". Thus the dialectic works perfectly in enslaving all. Both sides self-destruct. What a debauchery!

Argh! Damn you Robert, you and that party pooper Jesus have struck again, I told Bob not to play that crucifixion prank on him, but would he listen, would he f....

: In order to truly understand communism one must first identify its Imperial source. One cannot deny that the end-game here is the formation of an earthly utopia, Pax Imperialism. Is this not enslavement to the Imperial Communist, when both sides are played by the same master like a marionette on a string? That begs the all too familiar but still unanswered question:

Bob, its Bob, has been all along, he wants to RULE the universe he has created.

: Why would anyone so eagerly desire to be subjugated by their Imperial corrupter?

Because its a damn fine luagh.

: The Alternative (Jesus Christ) awaits you now in the Kingdom of Grace. May you find the joy and happiness of the Holy Spirit today.

Not going there if Bunyan's there before me...




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