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You can think what you want, but you will find out soon enough

Posted by: Shaun on April 12, 1999 at 19:00:24:

In Reply to: New Thesis: That Christians are incapable of Rational debate posted by Copenhagen on April 11, 1999 at 17:53:22:

: What will never be proven is whether a 'god' exists.

You'll find out soon enough. Jesus is coming back and everybody will face judgement, you included

:However i think there is a plethora of evidence to suggest that christianity is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever served. Just look at history for the evidence:

: 1) The 12 testaments written by a pharisee in 100 BC that basically contain the substance of the gospels. Guess this makes the 'son of god' a plagiarist.

What are you even talking about there? The old testament was written before Jesus birth, the New testament during and just after his life

: 2) There are in fact around 50 gospels. The fact that 4 were chosen is based upon the whims of the founding fathers. A true historical anaylsis cannot deny a treatment of these texts also.

Are you talking about the scripture found way after the Bible was assembled? The Bible is a collection of different books, many old scripture was found after the bible was put together, they are even being found recently


: 3) The old and new testaments contain FUNDAMENTAL INCONSISTENCIES

Yeah right thats what every non-christian says, but you really shouldn't critisize something you really know nothing about.


: 4) It was often said to me in days gone by that there was 'more proof for jesus as son of god than there was for julius caesar'. What a preposterous lie. There is a gobsmacking pile of evidence for caesar...one needs only look at the historical records of roman law.

No one ever said that Julius Ceaser never existed! I know Ceaser lived for the same reason I know Jesus lived, scripture written back in those days support the evedince that both existed. Even hard core athiests at least believe that Jesus did exist.

: 5) Besides this there is also the FACT that early christians loved to BURN BOOKS that did not accord with their beliefs. Thus the only remaining evidence of a treatise by celsus that systematically set out to show jesus was not the messiah exists only in the form of an unconvincing refutation written by a christian 'scholar'.

The early Romans also burned Christian literature, killed christians and did everything they could to stop the spread of the gospel. But even though Christians were the extreme minority at the time, Christianity survived.

: 6) The romans had a noted love for legend, many of the stories about their foundations are accepted to be myths created by writers...why should christianity be any different.

Because it's not a myth.

: 7) There are many different religions in the world. These religions have developed in differing cultural contexts. This suggests that religion is contingent upon culture and is not in fact some sort of truth. If the christian god were real, then i would expect him to have manifested himself all over the world, not just to a select bunch.

Christianity is the biggest religion in the world. There are over 2 billion Christians all over the world. They are in every country and culture. Even though non-Christians outnumber believers by almost 4 to 1, nothing you can do will ever stop the spread of the gospel. It didn't back in the days when there were much fewer Christians, and it won't now

: 8) Christians are often fond of appealing to subjective experience: ie 'i know god is real because i felt him...'. This knowledge claim would be just as valid for any other 'super entity' as it would be for christianity. So if a christian weants to claim 'knowledge by revelation', then jews, buddists, muslims, etc are just as justified in claiming it. (Not that i would even consider it knowledge).
9) There are clear errors in the new testament. eg Paul's implied blessing of slavery.

Haha! Another example of how non-believers can be so quick to make fun of a passage of the bible they know nothing about! I know the verse you are talking about and it does not support slavery. If you care to post it here (because I don't feel like looking it up right now; although I'm pretty sure it is in either 1Thessalonians or Corinthians) I'll tell you what it really says. Are you forgetting that is was the Christians and church leaders who wanted to put an end to slavery in the US and finally brought it about?

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McSpotlight: The most up-to-date figures I have on religion indicate a worldwide Christian population of ~1600 million, with Islam the next biggest at ~800 million.


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