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i'll call it logical enough.

Posted by: sammy on June 11, 1999 at 10:30:25:

In Reply to: call it whatever you like; it remains cruel and unnecessary. posted by Jeff on June 10, 1999 at 12:54:23:

it's a logical line of thinking that you have. not one that i alltogether disagree with. you are right. killing animals does cause pain. i don't disagree with that. and i don't like to see anything suffer. like wise, i can get choked up when i see a whithered plant begging for water.

i also think there is nothing wrong with people adopting different beliefs. we will never all believe the same, esp. since our belief are always changing as we continue to think for ourselves, and as we continue to experience and learn new things.

personally i see everything as fair game. since i am all for the food cycle, i think it is fair of a human to catch and eat a deer. on the other extreme, it is okay by me for a couger to catch and eat a person.
i don't believe that this animal should be hunted down and killed only because it took a human life. it is all part of a natural cycle.

yes it would be rediculous for us each to take up guns and hit the woodlands every time we wanted meat. but i also seem to think that the overpopulation of people is closely linked to our disgusting mass production of farm animals. i'm not saying that this is what i would like to see happen, i personally wounldn't feel as if i'd done anything wrong if i'd eaten an animal that i know at least had a chance to live in a natural environment, and would also feel more comfortable knowing that it wasn't pumped full of chemicals and hormones.


you:
It also happens to be a "natural act" for humans, like all other creatures, to defecate. Does that mean that we should all go and relieve ourselves on our front lawns, along side our dogs,

sammy:
what would it be hurting?

you:
Sometimes I get the urge to strangle people who perpetuate animal cruelty, but I do not act out that natural desire of mine, for my human brain tells me there are more civilized alternatives.

sammy:
perhaps you have learned that there would be conseqences to this action, which is another natural process that cannot be escaped. your brain isn't as separate from those of the primitive beasts as you may think.

the basics of my belief is that all living things are essentially the same. not based on how well a being percieves pain. what attributes life is the presence of a spirit, and you being aware of morality surley must understand the need of such an essence.

i think that if you kill a plant it is as much of a life taken as that of a human. i guess unlike you, i do not see the human species as a superior anything. this is just such a common notion because we are humans and it is all that we know. and we are so absorbed in it that every other life form is just a shadow compared to it.

thus i believe that ideally, we should be able to live with nature and not against it.

in closing, we also seem not to agree on the behavior of a retarded child.

-sammy




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