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escapism , ditching out of responisibility for ones actions, and making excuses for ones self.

Posted by: Karen ( USA ) on June 15, 1999 at 10:51:08:

In Reply to: Impasse posted by Stuart Gort on June 13, 1999 at 03:46:38:

: I'm saying human superiority is manifest. But this argument of mine is only in response to those who consider men as equal to animals. I, of course, believe God created us as lords of this planet. You could say I think I am superior because God says so. That suits me. Disagree if you like. But if you'd like to call man an animal, how do you justify a moral judgment of meat eating without setting man apart from the animals that also eat meat? What seperates man from the animals, Karen?

Finally, i'm worthy of a response. I will answer this AGAIN. As has been stated repeatedly, when is the last time other animals have been known to hoard or overconsume meat, or sell it for profit? Humans on the other hand do this regularly. Also, when is the last time a wolf, for example, needed a triple bypass? And as if more were needed to express this point, the animals that other species consume are in the wild, allowed to live out natural lives in their habitats, not confined to evil battery's or slaughter houses, etc. WHY oh why do you keep glossing over these very major facts? What are you afraid of? Also let me note, Your interpretation of Gods word, YOUR Interpretaion.

: Fred Astaire

: carbon fiber

: you guys clinging to collectivist ideals.

Did that somehow make sense to you? and who are 'you guys'? Are you calling me a communist? Because I ackowledge dogs are faithful, friendly companions? Are you on medication?

: Actually Karen, freedom is knowing that guilt is crucified with Christ.

I think that could be called escapism , ditching out of responisibility for ones actions, and making excuses for ones self.

: Karen, what do you do for a living? Aspire to equality with birds and butterflies? I bet not. I imagine that the world forces you to compete with others to scratch out your living. If you truly feel no need to be superior to animals, why aren't you foraging for berries now?

Hey, thanks for asking! There is no need to aspire to what one already is and always was. FYI I work for a non-profit club which donates time and money to many causes such as battered women, the poor, restoring beautiful places and upkeeping parks, where incidentaly I can forage for berries with the birds if i'd like, but i'm not hungry at this moment. I work part time, as I choose to live a fairly simple life, and gave up my vehicle so I can practice a little of what I preach. I will begin college in Aug. in pursuit of a degree to work in environmental conservation.

: Would you like me to list the numerous biblical references in which Christ deifies Himself, Karen? He was "humble unto death" because He was willing to offer Himself as the "lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world" but not before He made it perfectly clear to His followers that He was God in the flesh.
: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us...and we beheld His glory."
: It was quite clear to John who Jesus was - even if it isn't quite clear to you. If you would be taught anything of Jesus, learn that He is the freedom from guilt and shame that we all seek.

: Stuart Gort

It may or may not surprise you to know that I had a christian upbringing. I studied out of my own desire, not because mom made me. You have your own interpretation of the bible and it's verses, that 'concencus' opinion does not agree with.




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