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In Reply to: Does incarceration really reduce crime? posted by Samuel Day Fassbinder on July 13, 1999 at 11:07:55:

Recent home office stats I've seen suggest that recidivism rates for people imprissoned, and those who serve community programmes are *niegh on* identical (so perhaps punishment has no overall effect, and social conditions outside prison are the deciding factor?). And those recidivism rates run at 50% (or so.)

Mind, British prisons are well behind the US 9700 per hundred thousands head of population in some states)- is it 1 million people in US jails now?

And of course, what that article doesn't mention is, what will happen when the incarcerated actually get out, you may slow crime for a while by locking everyone up, but they come out eventually- but ah, yes, you have the trhee strikes system just to be extra inhumane...

Follow Ups:

• they've had their chance Shaun USA July 16 1999 (7)
  • No way. Red Deathy Socialist Party Uk July 19 1999 (0)
  • They were born without a chance Nikhil Jaikumar PCC MA, USA July 19 1999 (1)
    • Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth! Mike Bacon North TX USA July 26 1999 (0)
  • Yes, Sir, Your Honour, Sir! Kevin Dempsey Canada July 19 1999 (3)
    • Jail criminals. It keeps us safe and hopefully teaches them something Shaun usa July 19 1999 (2)
      • Our system as it stands has a lot of room for improvement. Karen USA July 22 1999 (0)
      • Nup! Kevin Dempsey Canada July 20 1999 (0)
• prison & execution DonS USA July 16 1999 (17)
  • 'Offer the other cheek' Red Deathy Socialist Party UK July 19 1999 (16)
    • Re: 'Offer the other cheek' DonS USA July 20 1999 (15)
      • We kill murderers to prevent more murder? Floyd Incarcerated States July 22 1999 (14)
        • Note that all killing is not murder. DoS USA July 28 1999 (0)
        • They have no facts of value. DonS USA July 23 1999 (12)
          • wee point... Red Deathy Socialist Party UK September 27 1999 (0)
          • wee point... Red Deathy Socialist Party UK August 02 1999 (7)
            • Not necessarly. DonS USA August 03 1999 (6)
              • Couple more... Red Deathy Socialist party UK August 05 1999 (3)
                • down slightly, and went back up DonS USA August 17 1999 (2)
                  • Reading that Chart... Red Deathy Socialist Party UK August 17 1999 (1)
                    • More ... DonS USA August 20 1999 (0)
              • any alternatives? Floyd Darwin Fan Club USA August 05 1999 (1)
                • use local justice systems DonS USA August 17 1999 (0)
          • If you just dismiss the other side's points, then why debate at all? Floyd Darwin Fan Club Unit Shifters Anonymous July 26 1999 (2)
            • HCI was using newspaper clippings and gun traces DonS USA July 28 1999 (0)
            • I do not think HCI or VPC have any compelling facts on their side. DonS USA July 27 1999 (0)
• It's even worse than you thought Floyd Darwin Fan Club Incarcerated States July 15 1999 (0)