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No agendas here?

Posted by: Stuart Gort ( USA ) on July 22, 1999 at 12:04:34:

In Reply to: there comes a point when you are seeing opponents in every corner, 'agendas' that were never there. posted by Karen on July 20, 1999 at 10:52:22:

:: I'm sure people do have agendas, but there comes a point when you are seeing opponents in every corner, 'agendas' that were never there.

Karen, am I wrong to assume McSpotlight has an agenda? Am I wrong to assume the majority of those who park their prose here have agendas which conflict with mine? Could I be mistaken when I suppose that the disenfranchised collectivist adherant who is looking for a subversive cause might be attracted to an obiviously anti-capitalist web-site?
Not seeing McSpotlight and its average adherant as having an agenda may only reveal the naiveté in you that these groups prey upon.

::Also, Middle class according to who? In many countries the US version of middle class would be considered very wealthy. Some of my foreign pen pals mention these things now & then.

Which makes my point perfectly - capitalism created that middle class by fomenting an ever growing economic pie. The average citizen of this country has a fantastic standard of living comparatively. Are you feeling guilty for having more?

::I am happy for you (honestly) that you have God and find so much in him, as I am for anyone who feels blessed. What is true for you is not true for all others, no matter how much you insist it is so.

Why? What hope exceeds mine? Answer me! What person has the right to expect more than God provides? Also, if truth, then truth. There is no subjective truth.

::This could be wonderful and intense if people were more accepting of others, but of course you disagree for some reason.

I've stated many of them. Oppose them specifically.

::Basicly it comes down to this, one side says we can each have it our own way, the other side says, no we should only have it ny way and everyone else is wrong.

Do you remember how this subject came up? I stated that while accepting homosexuality as perfectly moral and acceptable behavior, many of you have made a moral argument against meat eating. The above argument you make in support of homosexuality is exactly my argument for eating meat. Personally, I haven't any more interest in defending my position against homosexuality. I have clearly stated that I believe there to be a physical, emotional, and spiritual price to pay for this activity. Our respective positions are not apt to change no matter how many times we go around the block. But thanks for helping me make my point again with a slightly different angle. The moral dogma you ascribe to the fundamentalist viewpoint of homosexuality is primarily contrived demagoguery and is insignifcant juxtaposed to the moral dogma of the "Meat is Murder" crowd.

:: What LITTLE rights your sons have?! What?! Where do you live? Not in the US I guess. I know it may disturb you greatly, as it does many a parent but your vision for your children may not be shared by them at some point and time. And even if it was, what are you doing to secure it? Run for office if times are so hard, I'm dead serious. You live in a SOCIETY and if the terms become to undesirable for you compared with the majority agenda than perhaps there is someplace better you can go.

Oh no! You'll not drive me away from the most free country on this planet. Nor will you have any luck influencing my sons for they are turning out quite a bit more conservative than I. But should you be inclined to think all your freedoms are quite intact, try to remember that the Boston Tea Party was arranged over a mere 1.5% tax. My overall tax burden being over 55% at the moment, I bristle a bit at the idea of socialism, communism, or any other collectivist ideal getting the slightest foothold on my son's future.

:: Yep, lifes rough when you can afford all those luxuries. Sure hate to see any one else have some now & then.

That's both an attack on my character and a beautiful illustration of zero sum gain thinking. I call that ignorant rhetorical knee-jerking.

::If you were really clever you could brew your own, make your own keyboard, and move to the tax free, democracy free moon.

If you must knee-jerk with both legs, be sure you're sitting down.

Stuart Gort


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