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Stealing is to be looked as a universal 'wrong'

Posted by: Jason Samilski ( EAT THIS!, Canada ) on July 28, 1999 at 13:56:11:

In Reply to: Cleaver and Me posted by Nikhil Jaikumar on July 26, 1999 at 17:51:03:

I completely disagree with you on this one.

Stealing is to be looked as a universal 'wrong'. Now we can always find contradictions that fit under this universal acception, but noy once is it questioned: Why is stealing wrong? It is a dangerous pattern to overlook universal acceptances. Why is murder wrong?

But pursuing under the assumption that stealing is fact a wrong, I still think it is still way out of line to parallel the theft from stores to the oppressive outcome of capitalism. Theft from stores is a knock against capitalism and the infrastructure that compliments it. Moreover, I cannot see the logic behind only stealing 'nessecities'. Who are you determine what is necessary? It only weakens your entire argument to read this.

If stealing was practiced by the masses, it might have the stanima to hinder capitalism.

Next point... I hardly think that stealing is selfish or violent. Is it selfish to put yourself at risk to not pay for something which would only go to making some business even richer. By supporting the system of paying for goods with money, you are clearly supporting the system you seem to dislike.

Next point... 'Punished by your own guilty conciou?' Please. Wake up.

Actions speak loudest. Yes we can go around trying to set good examples by panning and such, but do you really think that will do anything? I doubt people would even stop to think about those basic things you pointed out, let alone the distribution of wealth. I prefer to take a stand against this oppressive system and not support it by helping to drive what is its fundemental... money.

-- Jason


: In an interview with someone or other, Eldridge Cleaver compared his feelings towards panhandlers and petty thieves. I think teh conversation went roughly lihke this:

: CLEAVER: I have more respect for a man who holds up a store than for a man who asks me for money. Because the thief is acting like a man, standiong up to talke what society owes him, whereas the panhandler is just being servile...

: INTERVIEWER: Even if you owned the store, would you still say teh same thing?

: CLEAVER: That's a stupid question because i would never own a business. But yes, he would still ahve the right to take what he needed...

: What does everyone think about this viewpoint? Me, I completelky disagree. First of all, theft is wrong in a general senae; if we are to conclude that it's wrong for capitalists to steal the fruits of their workers' labor, tehn it must also be wrong for people to rob stores (except stealing for food or otehr necessities). Secondly, I have more respect for panhanlers because of teh implicit statement taht they're making. they are saying, 'My claim on your money is going to be imposed by moral force, not by violence. I deserve your money because I am, human and it isn't right that you should have money and I don't. If you don't give me money, you will be punished only by your own guilty conscience." In thsi way, they are implicitly claiming that society's proceeds should be distributed on the basis of need and not on teh basis of force or power- they are pointing the way to a better society, while teh thief merely continues the same old cycle of selfishness and violence.

: So in conclusion, i think on this topic Eldridge Cleaver was full of B.S. His viewpoint is nevertheless thought provoking through. What do you all think.

: (Note: Eldridge Cleaver was the former Minister of Information of the Black Panther Party.)




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