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Posted by: Nikhil Jaikumar ( DSA, MA, USA ) on August 17, 1999 at 00:54:01:

In Reply to: Regarding Mandella. posted by Red Deathy on August 10, 1999 at 15:40:23:

: So, you go to war with a people, but you are moral, they are immoral, they drag you down to their level...hmmmm.

Many of our opponents were not that "immoral" in the first place- the North Koreans certainly were, likewise for Mao, Saddam, Hezbollah and some otehrs, but what about the Nicaraguans? Personally, I think America would be better off with more Daniel Ortegas in Congress.

: : What to do? I've virtually given up on Communists - they're worse than Nazis, and much more self-righteous. Most soft socialists I've encountered have a vicious anti-capitalism streak that makes it very difficult to carry on conversations through.

: I should have thought 'anti-capitalist' was a definition of socialism though...

Another statement, "worse than Nazis", without evidence. I wish that anti-communits would draw a clear and cogent connection between the Communists in, say, Kerala or South Africa and the massacres of teh Cultural Revolution, and show why the former should bear blame for the latter. I have yet to see one. Just as I have yet to see any objective evidence for a Communist bloodbath in Nicaragua, Zimbabwe or Namibia after the revolutions therein.

: : We are essentially a moral and principled country, a model for the world.

: Which includes enacting genocide against the Victims of Saddam Hussien- very fucking moral.

Also our policy of supporting fascist terrorists in Nicaragua and Mozambique.

: :If we had more Mandelas instead of Castros, political change would be far simpler.

: Mandella always, and he never renounced it, supported Armed struggle as the means to win, he was more a Gerry Adams than a Castro, but certainly he was no pacifist. Further, the change in south Africa has been slight, the concessions given by the ruling elite have been a means to keep effective economic aprtheid in place, the ANC has backed away from any truly radical programme, poverty is still vicious and endemic.

To its credit, the ANC has done a fair amount. Don't forget the ANC's longstanding ties to teh Communist Party. Mandela is no anti-communist; a third of teh ANC is also communist; teh communists are junior coalition partners with teh ANC; and Mandela is still close friends with castro. Castro and Mandela are allies, any attempt to drive a rhetorical wedge between them is futile.



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