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Belief stated as logic, not logic itself.

Posted by: Gideon Hallett ( UK ) on November 16, 1999 at 12:58:06:

In Reply to: I don't have to figure out anything for myself posted by Gotch on November 16, 1999 at 10:35:21:

: May I quote the Source of my authority?

: "For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.

: "Because that which may be KNOWN of God IS MANIFEST in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

: "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GOdhead; so that they are without excuse."

: Romans 1:8-9 (emphasis mine)

All of which is a statement of belief, not logic.

: Since that which cannot be seen (the origin of matter, God, etc.) must be interpreted from that which is seen (the physical universe)

Why?

Because the Bible says so. However, the Bible starts from the axiom that God exists and thus any attempt at logical argument which invokes the Bible is circular and thus faulty, logically speaking.

You have no justification for assuming that the physical can give us evidence about the non-physical.

:, we must conclude certain things about the Maker.

- which assumes causality; a logical construct. However, your only article of faith is the Bible; which starts from the axiom that God exists; therefore your concept of a Maker is necessarily subject to the same logical flaws; viz, it starts by assuming the existence and verity of an unprovable axiom. Bad logic.

: He is more powerful than I, and He made me, therefore I am responsible to him. He is also the source of my moral code. I don't have to figure out anything for myself -- I'll accept what He said and made obvious in nature.

Which is a statement of belief, not logic; however, this means that someone who believes in Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish has as strong a logical case for their faith as you do for yours.

You get the point yet?; faith is not a matter of logic and thus you cannot use logical concepts to justify your faith.

Gideon.




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