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Excuse me??

Posted by: Stoller on November 11, 1999 at 18:00:50:

In Reply to: Coming from you thats meaningless! posted by Gee on November 11, 1999 at 10:45:39:

: I'm telling you that the 'proletariat' has its interests interwoven in capital...

No argument there. The proletariat often pledges allegiance to capital.

But that comittment can change.

And does.

:... its retirement in trusts, in their home value and yes, for many in shares and stocks and whatever you may think of all that what matters is what they think is in their best interest - and you havent caught their interest for a reason - and you cant scapegoat mass meida manipulation for ever more.

You consistently overestimate the MATERIAL benefits of the proletariat.

Workers live from paycheck to paycheck.

Homelessness can occur within months.

: : Ever heard of the 1997 Asian meltdown? Ever heard of subsequent riots and unrest in Asia?

: Ever catch up with the slow but steady recovery today?

Tell that to the impoverished millions, Gee. I know SOME of the capitalists have since recovered from the Crash of '97. But most workers are now facing 'austerity measures'---often imposed by the IMF---that no amount of 'trickle-down' can mitigate.

And then there's Russia...

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