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Freedom without socialism is inequity and privilege, Socialism without freedom is brutality and slavery - Bakunin

Posted by: Lark on November 12, 1999 at 11:45:46:

In Reply to: There can be no freedom without SOCIALISM, you mean posted by Stoller on November 11, 1999 at 10:44:00:

I'm not going to be meally mouthed about this because on more than one occasion you've questioned whether I'm a Socialist at all and I really, really dont appreciate that because I view it as a questioning of my very integraty.

The facts are:

Freedom without socialism is inequity and privilege, Socialism without freedom is brutality and slavery - Bakunin

And who was right about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. the Anarchists and Democratic Socialists because they know that freedom amounts to more than statism and people cant have everything done for them by some paternalistic, good natured, elite.

Now if all Marcos was calling for was health care and free day care etc. I'd have absolutely no problem with it I've done a number of essays on Socialist Feminism in the Soviet Union criticising it's failures and got excellent marks I'm very aware of those issues but what I read into that post is that armed men are going to interfere with families because they believe in what their self appointed LEADERS have written with religious verve and zealotry, like in Pol Pot's regime or Mao's china where families where split up so that people could be fully devoted to the party and state.

That ISNT FREEDOM that's a NIGHTMARE and of course capitalists interfere with the family, that's my whole point but I dont want socialists doing it either damnit!!

As far as dogma goes when keep repeatedly firing a gun at your own foot it cant be because you think it's the most rational course of action, unless your mad, so it has to have something to do with the veneration of leaders and great man or great theory theory of history which is easily translated as DOGMA, I'm not trying to avoid debate but if it's not rational it's got to be something else.


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