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And a brief response

Posted by: Stoller on November 19, 1999 at 20:00:16:

In Reply to: A footnote posted by Samuel Day Fassbinder on November 19, 1999 at 10:27:09:

SDF: Socialism has to be taught, through the modeling of socialist behaviors. It is doubtful that there is (in real life) any natural tendency for capitalism to produce socialists (in fact the evidence seems to point the other way)...

It would seem apodictic that capitalism does NOT produce socialistic behavior in the least.

Only when the means of production are taken from the usurping minority and then made collectively public can any possibility of mass socialist behavior occur.

But the whole intentional community thang (which RESPECTS existing property relations) operates more or less under the rules of capitalism.

Which, by your own logic, works against the creation of socialistic behavior.

As RD aptly noted, 'small-is-beautiful' intentional communities can not hope to produce medicines (to cite but one example). Therefore intentional communites ARE NOT socialist communities---they are merely low-consumption RATIONALIZATION communities.

And low-consumption ideology is not going to be an easy sell with the poor working masses (which 'the revolution' MUST HAVE in order to succeed). Indeed, by Kat Kinkade's own admission, the intentioanl community movement is limited to a section of the middle class.

Which brings us back to the necessity of LARGE-SCALE industrial production (predicated upon the ALREADY existing capitalist mode of production) in order to generate the abundance for all that will make socialism a success.

And that productive power must be taken from the capitalist class...

: ...and at any rate such a natural tendency would have to be shown empirically, rather than just being asserted through an offhand quotation of the founding fathers of Marxism.

Like, quoting Craig Calhoun all the time is more likely to mobilize the working class?

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