: : Or maybe they're just apolitical thugs. Thugs don't need an excuse to be violent jerks. Or maybe they were agents provacateurs. I'd like to know for sure.
: SDF: Please gain a real understanding of human behavior someday. People aren't "violent jerks" for no reason at all.
How about being plain old jerks, SDF -- what's the pyschological pathology behind that?
:BTW a fringe anarchist group has claimed responsibility for the shattered McD's windows.
Do you believe what you hear? (Just thought I'd point that out).
: : That's right, he did. And if there were violent protests (prior to his assumption of power, when all became obvious) outside his offices, combined with a status quo media, then who do you think the masses would find at fault? You can't ignore the power of superficial images, SDF.
: SDF: Well guess what? Seattle has revealed the REAL police state behind the soft-gloved farce we experience daily. And the working class is getting the REAL dope behind the corporate media lie, at least some of it. Did you think liberation would come through CBS?
Do you really think everyone in Seattle and elsewhere are drawing the same conclusions as you? Read the letter columns in newspapers -- some people are PRAISING the police.
:Meanwhile, cadres of nonviolent protesters are getting MACEd by RIOTING POLICE as you read this right now.
: : : There are people out there who aren't going to wait until the bubble bursts and the American working class is "no longer needed". Are you one of them?
: : *Taking a deep breath, trying not to be pissed* I am outraged by the WTO and predatory international capitalism, and I do and will protest by peaceful means, including nonviolent civil disobedience and if all hell should finally break loose and we are all left with violence or death...well, having never been in that Guatemala-type situation, I don't know what I'd do, and I hope to never have to find out.
: SDF: Maybe that's why you didn't go to Seattle, where the "Guatemala-type situation" is a REALITY.
So what you're telling me, SDF, is that you jet over to every sad troublespot in the world. Were you in East Timor recently? Were you in the mountains of Guatemala 10 years ago? How come you're not in Tibet right now, fighting the Chinese army. In fact, how come you're not in a Seattle jail right now -- or do they have internet access in jail cells now (they didn't all those times I sat around in a cell)?
Don't be so goddamned self-righteous.