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20 cents an hour, enforced by the military.

Posted by: MDG on December 08, 1999 at 20:53:21:

In Reply to: You should be ashamed of yourself posted by Stoller on December 08, 1999 at 18:25:14:

: : Nike keeps the workers working, with an allocation of capital no greater that four bits a head.

: Correction: 20 an hour (The Nation, 20 December 1999, p. 8).

: Here comes the famous Doc dodge. . .

: : Socialist systems need a military force - some sort of "people's army" - to keep workers at their appointed tasks.

: You are talking about STALINISM, not socialism.

: If what's going on in Russia right now 'really isn't' capitalism---as you say---why then isn't my argument valid that what went on in the U.S.S.R. (from 1922 through 1991) 'really wasn't' socialism?

: Can't you admit that EACH form can have distortions and / or historical phases?

: Or would that be too complex for a crude propagandist like you?

: BTW, is all your hot air about Stalinism suppose to EXEMPT Nike's appalling corporate behavior?

Y'all are forgetting that in countries like Indonesia, where Nike sets up (sweat)shop, the rights of the workers to unionize, or even demand decent conditions in a non-union environment, are quashed by armed thugs in the employ of the governments, and often nourished by corporate and U.S. dollars. McArthur-Freeport in Indonesia and Gulf Oil in Nigeria are two examples of corporations which had a direct hand in the deployment of soldiers against poor workers; massacres followed.

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