: I agree that the only way in the world that anything approaching the sort of society that many of you seek is through a spiritual approach.
Well, that's one factor. If people change their minds that's a start, it all goes back to the individual in any instance otherwise your left with a despotism of some variety.
:But that is incompatible with Marxism because of material dialectics.
Communism isnt synominous with Marxism.
Socialism isnt synominous with Marxism.
Liberalism isnt synominous with Marxism.
I'm a reformist, a socialist and an anarchist personally so I dont see the problem.
:I'd love to see many of the things that most of you guys argue for, but Marxism is a non-starter.
Well I have sympathy with some marxist humanists, you know people who have taken marxism to heart as a philosophy or something but Marxism since Marx EG Russia etc. is a non-starter that gets workers killed.
: More had it about right in his "Utopia", but I don't look forward to anything like that happening soon.
That's a bit remarkable you saying that Frenchy, I'm really surprised, is this the same frenchy who indulged in Facism and didnt deny the nazi label?
Kautsky the german marxist reformer thought More's Utopia was a blueprint for the good society you know.
Have you read Edward Bellamy's 'Looking Backward', it's a similar account, more patriotic than socialist, it's on the net too.