: : So now the proletariat doesn't exist? This is getting funnier by the minute!
: Show me it does.
No working class? No capitalist class? AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A SOCIALIST?
: : What does this have to do with their existence as a social class?
: I know people believe in things that dont exist but is that what we want? The relevance is that your going to have to demonstrate to me what you actually mean rather than just flaming me.
You mean like the way you flame Barry, who practically bends over backwards to explain things to you? He does the work while you just 'flame' on.
: Prove it!
: WTO Demos. J18 Carnival Against Capitalism was funded largely in london and organised by an aristo and some of his friends, etc. etc. Look at the world.
This doesn't prove your claim that social classes aren't real.
: : 'Liberalism' goes hand in hand with capitalism, that is what is wrong with it. Is your liberal badge real shiny?
: Liberalism does not. Keynes = Liberal, Hobson, who wrote imperialism that Lenin was impressed with, = Liberal, T.H. Marshall, architect of theories of Citizenship and Welfare rights, = Liberal, Green and the Hegelian Idealists who produced accurate accounts of the state, = Liberals, I could go on.
I don't recall Keynes, Hobson, et al. advocating the OVERTHROW of capitalism. I know SOME Greens do but that's no argument for liberalism.
: : Ah, the good old liberal daddy lecture still going strong I see. And liberals wonder why we think they are petit-bourgeois snobs.
: Nonsense abuse again.
Yes, in response to your abuse, which you deleted here.
: : Calling people names without good reason is 'hauling ass' in my book
: See above.
: : Who is "us"? You and your reformist buddies? I'll call collect!
: I hate to say it but people interested in freedom, I hate to say it because it should be obvious.
My boss is interested in 'freedom' - maybe you should chat with him. You both would get along real swell - I'M SURE OF IT.
: I look forward to debating with you once you graduate from kinder garden politics.
I look forward to you actually debating ANYBODY. When are you going to check that Mack truck ego of yours, mr. troll?