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5-spot, fearless defender of people's rights, chimes in for semi-free speech.

Posted by: Frenchy on December 18, 1999 at 14:14:07:

In Reply to: The American rightwing shows its ignorance of Canada posted by Quincunx on December 18, 1999 at 01:59:54:

: New Yorker Harold Mollin thought it was a pretty clever way
: to market his new "weather insurance" to Canadians planning weddings or
: vacations: a 30-second TV spot featuring a huckster dressed in an Indian headdress leading a bunch of senior citizens in a rain dance.

: But to the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. (CBC), the ad was an affront to
: Native Americans and the elderly. The government-owned broadcaster
: refused to run it.

: Qx: It's not only the CBC that found it offensive. The CBC merely saw the consquences of running such a stupid commercial. It does more than offend...it allows for hatreds to persist. BTW, the CBC is a commercial endeavour despite dumb pro-capitalists emphasizing that it is government owned.
I fail to see the 'hate'in the commercial. Tasteless? Mmmmmm, maybe. Uncultured? Probably. Dopey? Yeah.
So what? Who made you hall monitor?

: "This is political correctness run amok," said an incredulous Mollin, noting that the seniors in the spot included his 89-year-old father, his aunt and his best friend's parents.

: Qx: If Mollin's parents are that stupid then so be it.
OOOOOOOOO, touchy, touchy, sounds like 'hate speech'.

: Or take the case of Stephani the cow. This fall, after a visitor to the
: government's experimental farm complained that she didn't like sharing the same name with the animal, the farm's director declared that, henceforth, government cows would get only names like Rhubarb and Dynamite.

: Qx: I recommend "Frenchy" or "Normand".


: Whether you call it over-sensitive political correctness or an abiding sense of fairness and decency, Canada has embraced it like a . . . well, never mind.

Through its human rights laws and hate speech codes, broadcast standards and myriad "voluntary" industry guidelines, Canada makes no bones about its determination to impose liberal-minded limits on public discourse.

: Qx: It's obvious that the author of this piece would like to throw in a non-sequitur about cows to make a point against hate-speech laws in order to get readers to think that the cow issue is all a part of the hate speech issue. BTW, if they don't like then they should go back to the USA. How's that you Nazi lover you?

Uhhh, yeah, whatever you said. Right.

: Although the 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms put free speech and a
: free press into the bedrock of Canadian law, neither the public nor Canada's courts views these rights as absolutely as Americans have come to view the First Amendment. The Canadian Supreme Court has ruled in a series of cases that the government may limit free speech in the name of other worthwhile goals, such as ending discrimination, ensuring social harmony or promoting equality of the sexes.

: "In Canada," said Ron Cohen, chairman of the Canadian Broadcast
: Standards Council, "we respect free speech but we don't worship it. It is one thing we value, but not the only thing."

: Cohen said that Canada seems to have survived reasonably well without
: Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh on any of its radio stations. (Howard Stern is heard only in Montreal--and then only censored on tape delay.) Last month, the Global Television network pulled the "Jerry Springer" show from its lineup after the standards council found that it had violated the restrictions on sex and violence.

: Qx: Interesting to hear pseudo-conservatives belly ache about "freedom of speech" when idiots who regularly slander and vilify people can get away with their lies. remember Walter Winchell or Father Coughlin? Besides, Canada is not the USA and what need is there to hear these morons clutter Canadian media. Keep it in the USA where they can get away with their lies.

"Social harmony"? Is that what they call censorship these days?

: Canada's most powerful tool against politically incorrect speech is its hate speech code, which prohibits any statement that is "likely to expose a person or group of persons to hatred or contempt" because of "race, color, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age." Prosecutors are not required to show proof of malicious intent or actual harm to win convictions in hate speech cases, and courts in some jurisdictions have ruled that it does not matter whether the statements are truthful.

: Qx: What's politically correct? The label is bascially ass backwards. The real political correctness comes from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and other hate mongers that Frenchy loves so much. The idea is to keep capitalism afloat by putting an inaccurate label on anybody who is actively working for a better society.

How is a better society achieved by restricting speech? Where has that ever worked? I think the basic problem is that Socialist/Communists know in their little red hearts that the more people know about their wonderful plans, especially when those plans are compared to the track record of Socialist/Communist utopias, the less likely they will want anything to do with it.
Solution? Control freedom of speech.
George Orwell alive and well in Toronto.

: One person who has run afoul of the code is Hugh Owens, a Christian
: fundamentalist who took out a small display ad in the Saskatoon newspaper featuring a stick figure drawing of two men holding hands inside a circle with a slash through it--a statement of his disapproval of homosexuality.

: What made it worse, said the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission,
: was that the graphic was accompanied by citations from the Biblical books of Leviticus, Romans and First Corinthians that, in some translations, call for sodomy to be punished by death by stoning. If a hearing officer agrees that this display violates the code, Owens could become the first modern-day Canadian punished by the government for citing the Bible.

: Qx: He did't just cite the Bible. He abused it seriously and used it as a vehicle for spreading hatred. If anything, he should have been cited for being a hypocrite.

Boy, I'll bet if those weasels were alive in the time of Jesus they would have charged him with hate crimes when he kicked the money changers out of the temples.
Remember children, everybody make nice nice.
Excuse me. I think I need to barf....

: "Our position is that you can't rely simply on the free exchange of ideas to cleanse the environment of hate and intolerance," said John Hucker, secretary general of the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

: Qx: And he's right because it'll require more than a hate speech law. It will require a societal change that right wingers are whining about and is sure to come.

Yeah, the free exchange of ideas is always something we should view with concern, heavens...

: For the Canadian press, however, a more serious challenge to free speech is posed by a case brought by the Human Rights Commission of British Columbia against Douglas Collins, a former columnist for the North Shore News in Vancouver.

: In 1994, Collins wrote four columns that questioned whether as many as 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust and criticized Hollywood for contributing to the "Holocaust propaganda" with movies such as "Swindler's List," as he called Steven Spielberg's "Schindler's List." Acting on a complaint by the Canadian Jewish Congress, a commission tribunal ruled that the columns had expressed his "hatred and contempt . . . subtly and indirectly" by "reinforcing negative stereotypes" about Jews.

: The tribunal imposed $2,000 fines each on Collins and the newspaper and
: ordered the paper to publish a summary of its decision--the first time that any Canadian government agency or court had dictated editorial content to a newspaper and ordered that it be published. The case has been appealed to the British Columbia Supreme Court.

: Qx: Look, Doug Collins is a yahoo and a Nazi sympathizer. He also operates out of one of the richest neighborhoods in Canada. What does that tell you? Don't try to hide behind "freedom of speech" when spewing forth hatred.

What it tells me is that Qx favors dictatorships. OOOPS! Is that hate speech?

: The electronic media operate under even tighter content restrictions. Last month, in the midst of violent protests in New Brunswick over Indian fishing rights, CBC reporters on orders from network officials, began referring to participants as "native fishers" and "non-native fishers."

: "Why can't we call them what they call themselves?" complained CBC
: producer Dan Leger in an internal e-mail leaked to the National Post.
: "Mik'maqs call each other Indians. Fishermen call themselves, well,
: fishermen." Leger called the new designations "urban, technocratic, precious, racist and, above all, imprecise."

: Qx: Hmm....interesting. If a black guy calls another black guy "niggah" how free should the press be to openly call black folks "nigger"? It's happened before and the results weren't pretty.

And of course, we in America, where blacks often refer to themselves as nigger but whites never do, have wonderful race relations. Our race relations are so good as a matter of fact that wonderful people like O.J. Simpson are lionized when they kill two whites. It's these touching vingnettes that bring us together. Oh, and Affirmative Action helps too.

: Failing to follow such guidelines, however, can have consequences. In
: Winnipeg last year, radio talk show host John Collison lost his job after the Canadian Radio and Television Commission (CRTC) complained to station owners about his repeated and sometimes salty diatribes against Glen Murray, who eventually became the first openly gay mayor in Canada.

: Qx: And he deserved to be sacked. It's nobody's business as to what Glenn Murray does in his private life and John Collison showed no respect for his privacy.

OOOOOOHHHHH~ Salty diatribes!!! Definately a capital offense. Send the brute to the States where we can deal with him in a fitting manner! We'll just fry the bitch in ole' Sparky.
Salty diatribes indeed. And in reference to a homosexual!! The cheek!! The very cheek!!

: Collison also used his show to stir up opposition to a program proposed by some school board members to eliminate homophobia in the city's schools.

: Qx: He went further than that. He spread hatred masquerading as free speech.

Well then!! Send him down here as well! We'll just make an extra reservation for ole' Sparky. We'll teach those uppity so and so's to get out of line with things like their opinions.

: Collison concedes he was playing the role of "shock jock." In response to threats from the CRTC, Collison said, the station not only fired him, but also gave up its all-talk format in favor of easy-listening music.

: Qx: By claiming to be a "shock jock" he thought he could trivialize the effects of his slanders on his victims. What a guy.
Easy-listening music, that's the ticket. Must think pleasant thoughts, must breath deeply. Feel the tension slowly decreasing. Yes, soft music, nice Canadian music. Canada, home of the superfluous, land of the slugs.
(Gee, that doesn't count as hate-speech I hope.)

: "This is the way things run in Canada," Collison said. "There is no way of escaping the mandarins of political correctness."

: Qx: Not quite accurate. Collison simply refused to accept individual responsibility for his behavior. Something rightwing wing nuts continually croon about.

Uhh, how does a person accept responsibility for somebody else's hurt feelings?
Huh? Excuse me? Ohh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that kind of question is not acceptable in Canada.
By the way, does 'right wing nut' count as hate speech?

: Andrea Wylie, a member of the CRTC, disagrees. "We are not the thought
: police," she said. "We use our power lightly."

: Wylie cited figures showing that the commission and its broadcast standards council took action in only about a dozen of the 14,000 viewer complaints lodged last year. While acknowledging that the very existence of the codes might have a chilling effect on public discourse, she called it "a reasonable chill," reflecting what Canadians are willing to hear.

: "We don't have the hang-up you Americans have with free speech," Wylie
: said.

: Qx: In other words, Canadians as a whole don't feel that freedom of speech should be abused in cavalier and gross manners.

Yeah, Canadians are willing to accept only a 'reasonable chill' and the governments assurance that they'll use their powers lightly.
It's common knowledge that hockey injuries can lead to irreversable brain damage. Maybe the Canadians ought to take up checkers.

: Advertisers in Canada also must adhere to a strict set of guidelines adopted voluntarily by the industry, but no less effective than the government regulations. Under their dicta, a national restaurant chain was recently forced to pull a television spot showing a helpless dad trying to prepare dinner for the kids (he eventually gives up and takes them out for burgers and fries). A hearing officer ruled that the commercial "reinforced negative stereotypes" about men that "cannot be excused by an attempt to engage in humor."

: Qx:Could the Washington Post be stumping for McDaonald's?

Well, poking fun at men's culinary skills. We certainly can't have that. Send the responsible brute down, I'll pencil in another appointment with ole' Sparky.
We'll make Canada a decent place for decent people if we have to kill every one of 'em.

: There are a few Canadians who worry about these limits, but, as Alan
: Borovoy, general counsel of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association has discovered, it's a very few. Despite 30 years of crisscrossing the country warning of the dangers of speech codes and laws, Borovoy's organization has a mere 6,000 members and a budget of less than $300,000. Typically, he can take on fewer than 10 cases a year.

: Qx: In other words, enforcing the hate speech code is rather difficult.

No, actually, this means that Canadian citizens don't care that their government is taking away their free speech rights because Mr. Borovoy's organization has relatively few members.

: Sitting in his cramped office in a rundown office building in downtown
: Toronto, Borovoy is philosophical in describing American and Canadian
: attitudes toward civil liberties. While Americans are suspicious of
: government and rally to the cry of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, "Canadians, he said, tend to respect authority and set their sights on the more modest goals of "peace, order and good government."

: "In this country, we give the government too much power and trust them not to abuse it," said Borovoy, noting that, for the most part, voters have not been disappointed. "I tell people that Canada is a pleasantly authoritarian country."

: This is a generalized nostion and doesn't really give a very good picture of the attitudes of Canadians towards government. As a matter of fact, it is in itself stereotypical.

Who cares, the operative word is 'pleasant'. Sit back and enjoy your fish and chips, eh? Vinegar?

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