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From the Horse's Mouth

Posted by: David ( USA ) on December 20, 1999 at 13:47:18:

In Reply to: Message to the tadpoles. posted by Frog on December 19, 1999 at 15:02:05:

All of you who've responded to this so far (Stoller with his tough love and SDF with his false equivocations) should take this into consideration. Whether you agree with this person's stance or not you should at least realize that some people would rather leave well enough alone. Kind of like in the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson says "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and so accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
Now, please do not misinterperet my intentions, I am not defending a government or even saying that we should suffer ourselves and abusive government, I just brought out the quote to segue into something a good friend of mine once told me. Basically, it was that the revolution always comes from the middle class. Societies will have malcontents and those suffering, however, as long as the middle class is content, you do not need to fear a serious revolution. When middle class children start dying from lack of medical treatment or starvation, that is when you need to worry.

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Give it ten years, then. Farinata L'inferno December 20 1999 (52)
- Farinata, do tell. MDG December 21 1999 (1)
  - Here's the dirt... Farinata L'inferno December 22 1999 (0)
- within those next 25 years we will have made great strides in technology David USA December 20 1999 (49)
  - Can you see that in your crystal ball? Farinata L'inferno December 20 1999 (30)
    - Just as well as you can in yours. Frenchy December 21 1999 (29)
      - Try picking your examples more carefully, Frenchy. Farinata L'inferno December 22 1999 (28)
        
        I've been chastised, and rightfully so, by our duty anarchist. Frenchy December 22 1999 (27)
        
        Call it education, Frenchy. Farinata L'inferno December 22 1999 (16)
        
        Call it Ego. Frenchy December 23 1999 (15)
        
        Some Hitler quotes for the uninitiated Stoller December 24 1999 (0)
        
        Amor doctrinae floreat. Farinata L'inferno December 23 1999 (13)
        
        Is that a 1st or 2nd conjugation verb? Frenchy December 24 1999 (8)
        
        *sigh* errare humanem est. Farinata L'inferno December 24 1999 (0)
        
        I think you meant declension, not conjugation. Farinata L'inferno December 24 1999 (6)
        
        Verbs and Nouns, part two. Frenchy December 25 1999 (1)
        
        African civilization Nikhil Jaikumar DSA MA, USA December 25 1999 (0)
        
        Nouns are declenched. Verbs are conjugated. Frenchy December 25 1999 (3)
        
        The crux of the matter. Farinata L'inferno December 25 1999 (2)
        
        Off to the cloning vats! David USA December 27 1999 (1)
        
        Welcome to the desert of the real world. Farinata L'inferno December 29 1999 (0)
        
        Why leave yourself wide open like that, Farinata? MDG December 23 1999 (3)
        
        Because I believe in permanent solutions, not firefighting. Farinata L'inferno December 23 1999 (2)
        
        Of labrinths, gobbledygook and farinata. frenchy December 24 1999 (0)
        
        Sadly, we must sometimes both prevent AND address evil. MDG December 23 1999 (0)
        
        A thought for Frenchy Stoller December 22 1999 (9)
        
        Sorry to butt in... Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA December 24 1999 (0)
        
        Whoa! Frenchy's a-thinking!! Frenchy December 24 1999 (7)
        
        And why not? Stoller December 25 1999 (6)
        
        Why is it more moral for a society to grant rights to the individual at the expense of the group? And vice versa. Frenchy December 27 1999 (5)
        
        I hope you're not serious, Frenchy MDG December 29 1999 (3)
        
        Serious as a heart attack. Frenchy December 30 1999 (2)
        
        My response MDG December 30 1999 (1)
        
        Mine. Frenchy. January 10 19100 (0)
        
        Morality, in all cases, is determined by the ruling class Stoller December 29 1999 (0)
  - I could not agree with you more David. Garloo December 20 1999 (17)
    - Another Ayn Rand kook Stoller December 21 1999 (16)
      - A word (or two) of advice David USA December 21 1999 (15)
        
        And another Stoller December 22 1999 (14)
        
        Picture a fat german choking on a bratwurst David USA December 22 1999 (13)
        
        You got a nasty debating style, David Stoller December 22 1999 (9)
        
        C'mere and give me a hug Barry! David USA December 23 1999 (6)
        
        Let's settle for a firm handshake Stoller December 23 1999 (5)
        
        And a note Stoller December 24 1999 (0)
        
        It all comes back to job rotation David USA December 24 1999 (3)
        
        That's right Stoller December 25 1999 (2)
        
        Supply and Demand (uh oh!) David USA December 27 1999 (1)
        
        We're getting somewhere Stoller December 29 1999 (0)
        
        Order in the house...! Rex McSpotlight December 22 1999 (1)
        
        Sufficient reason Nikhil Jaikumar DSA MA, USA December 23 1999 (0)
        
        Care to justify this? Nikhil Jaikumar DSA MA, USA December 22 1999 (1)
        
        Certainly David USA December 23 1999 (0)
        
        Oh dear David youve let slip a personal detail Gee si December 22 1999 (0)