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Having a bad day,NJ?

Posted by: Stoller on January 14, 19100 at 11:12:10:

In Reply to: The family, in whatever manifestation, is built on love. posted by Nikhil Jaikumar on January 13, 19100 at 11:40:07:

Now that I've covered the basics, lets drop it. I find discussing abortion to be inappropriate for men.

: That's OK. I don't, however. You sound like my (liberal) mother. You two should get together.

Quality drop! You are starting to debate (reason) poorly (emotionally).

As far as Stalin goes, he reversed the Bolshevik position on abortion-on-demand primarily because he wished to uphold the nuclear family (read: women's subordination to men).

: Yeah, right. When I hear certain people tear down the family, both in its nuclear and other variations (communal, matriarchal, polygamous) it often strikes me as pointless dissensionism - dissent for dissent's sake, rather than for good reasons. The family is based on love...

Tell me, pal. I'm a guy with a 10-year love-partner and a year-old child. (Can you claim as much?)


The ability for a woman (or a man) to have the ECONOMIC AUTONOMY to leave the relationship AT ANY TIME (and abortion is relevant here) can only STRENGTHEN the love bonds between people that first brought them together. To stay with a spouse merely because that would be the 'expedient' thing to do (read: economic dependence) is to DENY love-bonds. Therefore marriage (as in obligation to stay together) is reactionary.

Back to Stalin...

Substituting veneration for the traditional nuclear family FOR communal laundries, dining halls, child care centers, etc., only made women DEPENDENT upon men (for they could not earn their own living while raising children and doing housework all the time). It also kept them isolated, in the house all the time, which perpetuated their illiteracy and backwardness and submissiveness to the men who 'earned their living' FOR them...

I'm all for love-bonds. I'm all for children. And you can bet that I'm all out for relationships in which all parties---yes, even the kids---have the freedom to leave the 'nuclear unit' should it become a place they don't like (therefore, regarding children, those day---and night---care centers should be VERY quality)... That is how love stays REAL.

(Try Engels' The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State sometime, it's the most 'libertarian' of all the Marxist tomes...)

You've got a socialist heart competing with a petty-bourgeois head, I think, my misinformed friend... Get well soon...

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