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Just the facts mam, du, du, dundu...

Posted by: Lark on January 18, 19100 at 14:56:56:

In Reply to: Here are the facts posted by Stoller on January 15, 19100 at 11:49:56:

: Was I wrong in thinking that you were offering your support to Morris (artisan 'socialism') in this post?

Yes, Barry you where.

: Stoller:
: Concurrently, RD and Lark (not NJ) reject my call for job rotation. RD is even on the record as saying that 'a professional porter... is a multi-facetted and skilled task, that engages mind and spirit.' Lark, of course, has had his share of similar bloopers.

: : Er...I do reject gunmans socialism, if your going to kill or strave me for non-compliance then your no better than a capitalist, no worse than a capitalist at least they think they are giving you a fair chance to comply and non-compliance is irrational.

: Off-subject.


: Let's get back to job rotation. You've never supported it.

Not true.

:You rather defend the social division of labor each time you argue for 'liberty in the workplace.' i.e. each individual does the job(s) they choose.

I defend freedom.

: To argue for individual choice of work---knowing how people invariably will choose skilled work, leaving the unskilled work for 'someone else'---is a bit like arguing for individual choice of whether or not to pollute: the individual choice has its impact on every one else; only collective (read: coercive) action can impact pollution.

So you'd murder them right?

: The social division of labor you defend---again and again---is, in my opinion, the FUNDAMENTAL BASIS FOR HIERARCHY (read: classes). That's why I say that you wish to retain capitalism's social relations---hence your is a petty-bourgeois 'socialism.'

Name calling, what you gonna do Barry murder every non-trot who disagrees with you mesh of disempowerment and capitalist social relations.

: If you want to support job rotation, acknowledging that it must affect all members of society in order to have its necessary effect (like the pollution example offered above), then I'll retract my previous statements.

I'll continue supporting freedom.

: Don't forget, it was Plato---who you have also supported---who made famous the whole pernicious social division of labor defense in the first place.

You are reading far to much into a casual statement of the fact that I like Plato and Platoism, perhaps Stephen King is a dubious reading material aswell, what you want to burn books now aswell?!

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