: **Jeesh SDF... you asked what us flesh and blood mortals could do to advance the cause of democracy and I answered 'agitation' as one of the things we could all do. There is no *one* thing that can do it. Which is usually why people end up forming associations of like minded people to try and do all the education, agitation, and informing needed to build a movement.
SDF: Good, we agree in this.
: Also, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Internationales as proof of the lack of revolutionary fervor in the working classes.
SDF: Actually, I had a more significant point, that the Internationals were examples of revolutionary organization gone wrong. The point is that everyone here has been concentrating on how to describe the communist utopia with all the right bells and whistles to the detriment of an understanding of how a movement is germinated and nurtured.
: Just to take the example of the first internationale alone, 70,000 workers were executed for taking part in the Paris Commune and the international workingmen's association got the lion's share of the credit for that. If anything, the apparatus of the Internationale(s) themselves has been a hindrance... so let's fix the apparatus.** --K