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continuing with surplus value

Posted by: Samuel Day Fassbinder ( Citizens for Mustard Greens, USA ) on January 26, 19100 at 15:45:17:

In Reply to: ooooooOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOOOO.... posted by Frenchy on January 26, 19100 at 10:43:25:

: I've made many legitimate references in past threads refuting the emptiness of Marx

SDF: Good, then it shouldn't be hard for you to NAME one.

: and each time that was met w/ derogatory 'rebuttals'.

SDF: Presumably this thread is about the theory of surplus value.

: Check out what the 'Black Book of Communism' got me.

SDF: Yeah, it was debunked as being full of lies and misattributions. Just what we'd expect from Norman/ Nazis/ Fascists/ Jackboots. Another failed attempt to rewrite history. (excuse the stylistic copying...)

: See what the response was to 'Leftism Revisited'. Same w/ my contributions from Von Mises' book. Want me to give you Thomas Sowells analysis of Marx?

SDF: Why not? Do you know it? Could you repeat it if you tried real hard? Doing so would give your posts some tiny shred of intellectual substance which they have heretofore not had...

: Take your own example; not a word about the effort of the person who started the widget company and his risk. Not a word about trade unions that are in the workers corner. Not a word about how the excess value of the widget's worth is arrived at. Simply a string of assertions that are used to justify stealing one man's property in order to give it to another. It's intellectual baby talk.

SDF: We were talking about the redistribution of wealth, Norman, and I was simply pointing out that the redistribution of wealth goes from poor to rich because of the appropriation of the surplus value by the owning classes. Your intellectual baby talk response above 1) misappropriates my argument, I wasn't ADVOCATING anything, 2) dodges the central issue which I've summarized above, 3) makes the wrong distinction between intellectual labor and manual labor when we were talking about ownership vs. labor (widget inventors vs. widget makers is not the same as owners vs. workers), 4) attributes to the "sovereign individual" what is in fact a group effort.

: About my pushing the Leftists further to the left

SDF: No, you just make more leftists because people are disgusted by your cheap debate tactics. What kind of leftists they are is wholly a matter of dispute.

: until their forced into violence;

SDF: Say Norman, are you a fascist like Farinata said you were? I'll keep repeating this question every time you resort to namecalling.

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