: Does anyone find long winding posts with endless quotes from dead authors about the world in their time (not ours) accompanied by politically sectarian and authoritarian interpretations and the odd insinuation and insult of anyone who disagrees, even slightly, that interesting?
: If these posts are not interesting how can those making them hope to persuade anyone of anything?
: I'd also like to know why some people, everyone knows the names I dont have to make them clear here, find it serves their purposes better to insult, ridicule and abuse potential comrades? Or even ill treat opponents when they dont appreciate that ill treatment themselves?
: This isnt a preachy post about 'how to debate' because I know those are a waste of time but as a socialist I think that we have to think about what kind of social relations we would like to see prevailant in the good society. We must decide, once we have we must live in accordance with that decision. I hope we dont decide that a good society would be politically sectarian, authoritarian, religiously observing authoritarian plans or social blueprints.
Piper: I don't consider myself a socialist as such lark, but i generally agree with your observations. However when somebody starts throwing insults around then i think its best just to not bother debating them at all.
As to your 'friend', well i don't think he's interested in a 'good' society as such (I suspect that like a typical hegelian he believes that the individual is subservient to the state). He's interested in implementing a marxist society- at all costs (actually he probably thinks we're destined for it).
As to why he is so rude and arrogant, well one can only guess...(needless speculation omitted).