: : And here we cut to the chase; Those who support Communism/Socialism create out of whole cloth definitions to suit their purposes while dismissing the definition that others have. Their right, we're wrong. End of discussion.
: No, let's open the discussion...
: : The solution is force, violence when and as necessary. Why? Because capitalists have 'forced' proletariats to sell their labor to them. How can that be? Well, apparently because people have to work to eat and it is somehow wrong for people to provide their own means of providing that food for themselves.
: The underlined section is where you go astray, Frenchy. Workers do NOT 'provide their own means [of production] of providing that food for themselves'---the capitalist class owns the means of production.
Oops! Do you mean to imply that your "capitalist class" DOES own the means of production of providing that food? Funny. I'm aware of plenty of "capitalists" who don't own and run their own farm! I don't think they own cows, chickens, vegetable gardens, etc.
Honestly, Stoller, I don't know how you manage to keep it up. Your definitions are so slippery, subjective, and detached from anything happening in the real world.
End the tyranny of the minority farmer class!!!!