- Capitalism and Alternatives -

Pardon the intrusion, my two cents worth.

Posted by: Lark on February 03, 19100 at 11:08:58:

In Reply to: Penultimate Word for Barry... posted by Red Deathy on February 02, 19100 at 20:48:42:

: 5:I remain convinced, personally, that there may well be a small number of people who will choose not to work at all under socialism - and frankly, I don't care. I think, basically, they're the ones who'd be losing out (see point 1). I think that trying to stop them would only make life shit for the rest of us - they're wankers, but to stop them we've got to treat everyone like a wanker. To make them work would be pure moralism, and socialists are moralists, our case is not a moral one, but a practical one, we do not denounce exploitation because it is wrong, but because it makes life shit for the majority of us. moralism, is utopian in extremis.

Before Barry quoth Marx, Lenin and Trotsky ad infinatium I'd like to put in a two cents worth.

If work was transformed into a social activity people would want to do it, laziness is the result of the wrong person doing the wrong work or the conditions under which those people have to work.

If I wasnt having money problems (which I wouldn't under RD's Morrision Socialism, yeah RD I took the plunge and read 'News From Nowhere', I'm all for it but in the meantime I'm more convinced reform, state socialism and syndicalism will prevail, for an interum period at least) and the work conditions wherent rigidly hierarchical, policed constantly etc. and the working day wasnt too long I'd have no problem with the work no matter what it was (well if I didnt have to train and train and train for it for years and years).

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