: 'Legislation, whether political or civil, never does more than proclaim, express in word, the will of economic relations' (Marx, The Poverty of Philosophy, International n.d., p. 70).
SDF: And this includes the monkeywrenching which Allende performed in Chile? Hardly.
: They don't plan to change anything? What a goal!
SDF: They don't plan to make the White House this year. And neither do the Sparts for that matter. It's obvious, by such logic, that they don't plan to change anything. LOL!
: : Say, didn't Lenin once participate in elections?
SDF: So Joel Kovel is automatically guilty of reformism because he's running for President in order to open the debate about bourgeois democracy.
: : Go back to your quest for your perfect cult, asshole.
: Lowering your debate standards a bit aren't you, Sam? Sounds like working for the Greens has got you pretty frustrated...
SDF: And your standards for debate have been pretty low ever since you became a sectist. When accompanied by such attitudes as Piper cited, repeated quotations of Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky and defenses of the "worker's state" (as if this wasn't an oxymoron) don't make it with most folks, it just sounds like variations of Reagan's often-cited "mistakes were made". I think it's amazing that people debate with you, as if they could change the mind of a cult member...
It's sectists like you that give working-class society a respect for the cops. David McNally has your number.