: BTW stoller punishment doesn't work, no matter how effective skinner thought it was.
You just don't get it, do you? Skinner primarily opposed punishment because it was NOT effective.
To wit: 'It is generally not convenient to shape skillful behavior with a negative reinforcer because it elicits many respondents which may conflict, be incompatible wih the behavior to be shaped' (Holland & Skinner, The Analysis of Behavior, McGraw-Hill 1961, p. 219 § 32-37).
Discovering the scientific laws of punishment doesn't mean he ENDORSED them. Indeed, Skinner, through understanding those laws, wanted to replace them with POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT.
Try reading a bit about a topic before you act like an expert.