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Posted by: Piper on February 04, 19100 at 22:53:56:

In Reply to: How comforting! posted by Barry Stoller on February 04, 19100 at 16:07:39:

: : The major problem lies with effective enforcement of the law. Ie overcoming entrenched power groups and long standing prejudices.

: : Now the solution to this may well require statutory amendments to the legislation (i note some have been mooted by various parties). But this just goes to emphasise the trial and error nature of legislation (as it must necessarily be). A parliament can't predict how effective a law is going to be before it is passed.

: : Equal pay for women will come...eventually.

: How comforting!

: More legislation for the legislation that doesn't work...

Piper: Like i said stoller legislation is necessarily trial and error.

: You're arguing MY point now.

Piper: No, as i said acheiving reforms can be a slow process especially in this case when inbred prejudice and social roles must be overcome. I mean lets get this very clear it is not so much a problem with ineffective governmental legislation, it's a problem with SOCIETY.

If you have your little dictatorship of the proles, you'll be facing exactly the same problems with the trial and error nature of legislation.

: I didn't know 'anarchists' believed in reforms.

Piper: What you want to hear this quote AGAIN?


"One might, however, argue... that at every stage of history our concern must be to dismantle those forms of authority and oppression that survive from an era when they might have been justified in terms of the need for security or survival or economic development, but that now contribute to---rather than alleviate---material and cultural deficit. If so, there will be no doctrine of social change fixed for the present and future, nor even, necessarily, a specific and unchanging concept of the goals towards which social change should tend. Surely our understanding of the nature of man or of the range of viable social forms is so rudimentary that any far-reaching doctrine must be treated with great skepticism, just as skepticism is in order when we hear that "human nature" or "the demands of efficiency" or "the complexity of modern life" requires this or that form of oppression and autocratic rule."
(From notes on anarchism)

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