- Capitalism and Alternatives -

A fine piece of . . .

Posted by: Sloopy ( Hanging On ) on February 15, 19100 at 13:37:45:

In Reply to: A fine piece of American literature posted by David on February 14, 19100 at 12:05:44:

: : Is the Constitution of the United States of America worth preserving? Why, or why not? How is the Constitution affected or disaffected by Socialism and Capitalism? Can it exist without Capitalism? Should it exist at all? Is it stronger now than ever before?

The Constitution was designed by the Founding Fathers (i.e., 18th Century rich guys--George Washington was the richest man in America) to consolidate their power. In order to justify their fight against the king, they had to use the language of universal suffrage. In order to secure enough support with the merchants and small land-owners they had to delineate rights, which they don't respect now and didn't respect then. (Hasn't anybody here heard of the Alien Sedition Act?)

: I personally think that the Constitution of the United States is probably one of the greatest political documents in this countries history. It is a trust document that has survived a civil war and many presidents who would have loved to be dictators (Andrew Jackson...Nixon, etc.).

Too bad they don't play by their own rules. If you ever want to know just how far these rights go, try being in a position in which you actually need them.

: Personally, I am a great fan of the Declaration of Independence, I feel it is one of the greatest pieces of American literature. Jefferson was a very eloquent man, and, although he took a lot of ideas from Locke, he imbued them with a more American style.

Yes, I especially like the part later on where he talks about "merciless Indian savages." The Declaration of Independence is a bitch sheet with Rights as its introduction. What did America think of Ho Chi Minh when he drafted the very same letter? You can ask 3,000,000 Southeast Asians about that. Go defoliate your victory garden, Dave.

: What is wonderful about it is that it is purely American, it captures the American sense of life. A sense of life that could only be developed in America. Perhaps, I am sounding too much like a hooray for the system yahoo...

Add "tautologist" to "yahoo."

: The line "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator [capitalization NOT mine] with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness," says everything, in that is says absolutely nothing. Every person has a different idea of what happiness is and how they would choose to pursue it. The American dream is not strictly a house with a white picket fence, two cars, and a wife, it is different for everybody. What makes this country great is that people are able to pursue their own pleasures and not be beholden to others. Everyone is allowed to pursue their own ends. Their pursuits are not expedited at the cost of others and vice versa.

What? Yeah, right. Somebody's grammar school civics teacher did a great job here.

: I am sure this will get me a whole slew of responses either calling me blind or ignorant (probably both) for not seeing and/or realizing the horrors that this system has created and how workers are being exploited and so on and so forth.

As well it should. How can you justify this letter, Dave, aside from just mindlessly parroting propaganda. Is there anything you'd like to retract?
: Ah well, you can't please everybody...even with socialism.

: : As a frequent visitor to this site, I am curious about what some of the regulars have to say on this topic. And as a card-carrying, conservative Republican I keep a copy of the Constitution next to the King James Bible and my NRA membership card, right by the ammo on the top drawer of my gun cabinet in the well-stocked armory on the back forty of my compound in Montana.

: Keep watching for those black helicopters!

I think Garloo is having us on. See you commie bookstore, Garloo!

Follow Ups:

The Debating Room Post a Followup