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Posted by: Stoller on March 01, 19100 at 13:16:13:

In Reply to: Help if I knew what the question was. posted by Lark on February 29, 19100 at 22:25:52:

Stoller: [W]hy would I want to join a party that has members who fundamentally disagree with my politics?

: I dont think you would and in a democracy where party membership and compliance with the party will is a free choice that is fine but in an order where disagreement with the party equals a death sentence I'd find it unacceptable.

Death sentence?

Where have I EVER said such a thing? If you'll look at this post, you'll see that the harshest thing I've ever suggested is that those who don't work won't receive food and shelter---not exactly a real radical notion. Of course, as you've gone on the record saying your '100% principle' was to 'be gainfully unemployed / unemployable,' I can see why my suggestion may seem like a bit of a botheration to you...

If you think that a proletarian revolution will please EVERYONE (you've sympathesized with the capitalists before), then you have a funny idea of revolution. Revolutions occur when one class challenges another. Coercion is inevitable.

Nonetheless, I believe that inter-party and inter-(proletarian) class differences of opinion and strategy are ENTIRELY HEALTHY and should be resolved by a simple majority vote (as I've said IN THIS POST).

: [W]hat does the the great socialist messiah bring his wisdom to the poor ignorant workers?

If you think the workers---ALL the workers---are PRESENTLY hip to what happening, Lark, then I'd advise you to check in with Frenchy sometime.

Anyone who cares to suggest that the revolution can only start when EVERY LAST WORKER is on board and a full member of the party assessing the tasks of the revolution (are you listening, RD?) has their work sorely cut out for them considering that Frenchy is not alone in his skepticism!

Remember this well, utopians: revolutions bring political experience to the people by placing them in physical opposition to the ruling class. When the revolution(ary situation) begins, some workers will hang back and watch; when they see the cops beating up their co-workers and friends, they will choose sides...etc., etc. Hidalgo (Mexico) provides a small but salient illustration of this principle...

: ...the homosexual community suffers a lack of sexual ethics, to an even greater extent than the heterosexual one.

This conversation is at an end, Lark. You're fuckin' hopeless.

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