: : No preserve it altogether Gee. You pretend like we've got to convince you socialism is good, when socialism has always be able to depend on both the moral high ground and the majority.
: So why isnt it remotely popular in the west?
It's unpopular in the west in the same way Islam is unpopular people havent actually applied much thought the whole thing but have preconcived prejudices etc.
Someone said to me once if I was so Socialist I could give away all my money and beg.
I replied I've never "Preached" voluntary poverty but revolution and social equity.
: You need to accept that populations are *not* hapless fools being controlled by capitalist forces to disagree with socialism,
Really? But they are when they display Socalist Characturistics?
:but that they do so for many reasons of what they consider to be self interest - just like pro-socialists do.
Greed I'd say, it's hardly a good thing and it prevents your utopia unfolding too Gee. The Greed is good factor that was used to preserve Capitalism by it's sell by date, and is still being used, sabotaged your version, the enlightenment pre-capitalist Capitalism, of Capitalism long ago.