- Capitalism and Alternatives -


Posted by: Lark on April 12, 1999 at 19:23:22:

In Reply to: the excorcist posted by Crimson Tide on April 09, 1999 at 11:47:30:

: Some visitors might change their minds, probably not the way you want. Having been there I now think the best way to put people off socialism and collectivism is to show it to them, all of it in theory and practice. Hide nothing. All that Mcarthyism got it wrong, hiding socialism in the realm of 'intellectuals' makes it more attractive, displaying it in its full 'glory' its full context is much better than portraying 'commie pinkos' as monsters, if your aim is to turn people away from collectivism.

Or rather portray a blacked account of collectivism which is the result of your own personal prejudice and opinion.

Fine just dont ever try to suggest that capitalism will be anything other than it is now when your great revolution to abolish the state takes place.

: : SDF: Why ban them? Von Mises and Rand are full of falsehoods, the stamp of Friedman upon a society can be seen in today's Chile...

: This excuse ive used before, Pinochet notes Friedmans book as a favourite and then Friedman is suposed to cop the blame for Pinochet doing exactly the opposite of what Friedmans 'libertarian' views would suggest. Bullshit blame shiftng.

Really? Yet you associate collectivism with mao, lenin, stalin and hitler, what is the difference? FOR CHRISTS SAKE WOULD SOMEONE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE!!! If you associate socialism with the state horrors of the world, why shouldnt we associate your propertarian vision with the horrors it is responsible for?

: If you want falsehoods in copious quantities then read Marx and various derivatives. To think I used to buy that. Youll recall a scene in the exorcist where the priest says "the devil will hide falsehoods amongs the truth". Well its a silly comparison, but socialist literature makes accidental, and more often deliberate, use of that principle.

Evidence please because this appears to be your opinion.

: : SDF: Socialist societies would be made up of individuals anyway, so what was it you were asking? That people would rediscover reasons for not working together to make things better, and start a movement to make them worse? Together?

: fantasy based on what? which practice? some romantic image about some primitive tribes?

OK are people reverting to Fuedalism? No they arent, so why in a socialist society would they revert to Capitalism. Socialism isnt fuedalism by the way incase you wanted to try that one, wealth aristocracys remember?

: : Let's ask this: Why is the model for the "individual" under capitalist society always the white, European, property-owning (see C.B. MacPherson's POSSESSIVE INDIVIDUALISM), dominant male, swathed in a mythology of "rugged individualism" (see Stephanie Coontz' THE WAY WE NEVER WERE)?

: Because you (plural) lay the blame for everything at the feet of any human who dares to be born white and male, and ignore the blacks that willignly fought for the south in the civil war, the black slave traders of africa etc etc.

So your saying slavery is fine I've heard it all now RACIST!!

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