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what's libertarian about a privatised state?

Posted by: Lark ( ICA, Ireland ) on April 22, 1999 at 14:51:56:

In Reply to: Why.. thank you Lark. posted by Flint Jones on April 21, 1999 at 18:53:52:

: To bad your comments got cut. I'd be interested in hearing them... and Red's to if it doesn't go to his head.

I've just noticed that comments cut bit, McSpotlight if I win the Lottery I'll bale youse out with new equipment and maybe even set up a trust so you can all pay yourselves wages once and a while.

: I think the propertarians would just say, "the only justice is the right to control your own property as you see fit, and any violation is immoral... everything can be applied to this one absolute natural law."

See your using that term now too, great I think a distinction is very important because after all what's libertarian about a privatised state? Same dog different collar only now it's gone rabid.

: Its neat little general principle but ulimately flawed since people are people... people aren't property. As long as they think of themsleves as nothing more than something else that is owned and sold... well... its just a very limited understanding of liberty. Sad really. I don't know why you both bother to debate them as its the same broken record over and over again. They don't recognize the evils of the things they advocate if carried to the conclusion... atleast some socialists have realized the dangers of to much collective will as such... and that the tactics to revolutions usually end up as the ends.

Yeah, and the realisation on the part of the socialists can only be good. I dont really debate with them I know they're fanatics, I am too in a way they'll never persuade me, but I cant let that sort of thing go unanswered and other people viewing the debate might think twice before entrusting their lives to a philosophy of blessed property.

Well what my post more or less said was that if you apply cartesian rationalism to the matter of law in an anarchist society, with the guiding principles of liberty etc., experimentation will lead to the forming of a natural state of law.

If this process leads us to a form of law enforcement and criminal justice system similar to that already existing then fair enough, that's what I think will happen, that is if your guiding principals are libertarian.

For instance when the revolution takes place surely it'd be a better idea, more consistant with liberty, to imprison people rather than execute them on mass. Or imprison them rather than execute them if they commit murder.

The only bitch I have with the law is that it is to indiscriminate if a physco knifes someone to death they could end up on the same prison wing with the man who knifed a violent physco in defence etc.

Although a situation where no one is knifing, shotting or otherwise hurting anyone is more preferable and self government would be a fine thing to see.


If I'm not in touch again happy May Day, Happy May Day McSpotlight.

McSpotlight: Ta ;). It's not the hardware, though; the hardware is willing; it's the software that is weak. And we're putting that right...the new DR should be more fun than Viagra ;)

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