: So you would maintain, I suppose, that a "collectivist direct democracy" would devolve 'naturally' into a meritocracy?
I think the tension would indeed build to breaking point. What would follow I am not sure about - perhaps another dreadful 'mixed economy, mixed democracy' which would be better that dictatorship.
: Ahh yes....Interdependant...kinda makes it sound like an equivalence of dependancy, sort of one on one. Well it isn't. My life depends upon the actions of countless thousands of others.
Who are not obliged to you.
In discussing obligation lets look at chosen obligations and unchosen obligations. Would you accept the position that most people would chose to oblige others with their assistence, as 'good folks'? i would. I dont think this requires the wips of state, or an angry mob, to happen. I dont think this obligation extends to supplying an indefinate gaurantee to a standard of living to anyone who makes a claim to it though, hence the tensions.